KJs in the monkey house

[ErrantNight]

he can't 3bet

[ErrantNight]

4bet for value? i fear, though, that you're setting yourself up to lose a lot of money most of the time. i.e.: 4betting might be distinctly NOT for value

Wow it seems like the only one of you that has any brains is Joe tall... The best play here is to fold and wait for a better chance. Plus if the game is this stupid you'll likely be throwing away money. Guys this isn't a solar eclipse if the game is like this then they will keep pissing money away. I can't believe so many of you love this king jack suited (#&$^) it's such garbage of a hand. I'd much perfer to take a big hand (obviously) or even a Ace X wheel draw suited, small pp, jack ten off suit, something like that where i'm drawing to specific hand situations that will pay me off with all this loose action. The worst thing you want to do is get trapped with hitting a king or a jack and pissign money into the river just to find out your dead. Or even worse hitting your hand and not playing it agressively enough and letting someone get there. King jack suited is not a premium hand to pick a battle with, re raising at this point is a little too lose I think. Calling is about just as bad here. If we were in later position it'd be a different situation, espicaly with the 5 bet cap and straddle worst thing you can have is to get it capped preflop and hit a king now that your commited and you'd assume even one of these donkeys at least has a decent hand. You gotta remember that even though poker bobs excellent description using the terms 'retards' and 'fish' even they will find big hands time to time. And there is no real good reason for us to give their money back to them just because they find a big hand occasionally. SO all in all find a better spot dont' gamble, gambling is for donkeys. -Andrew

If the lagtards will respect a preflop re-raise and fold on later streets if they whiff then re-raise. If not, call. Or raise and take free cards as necessary.

That is the loser way to play it I agree with Hock completely. BUT i still favor laying this "Monster" hand down just too trapable. -Andrew

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BUT i still favor laying this "Monster" hand down just too trapable

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Position, position, position.

[Victor]

man im really leaning towards folding here. its a pretty hand but you gotta hit to win and hope not to be dominated.

Call, why the hell not. You have position, you have suited overcards. If the drunk asian re-raises and then the donk re-reraises, fold. I doubt the donk knows that you know that the asian is drunk, in fact, I doubt the donk is playing the asian knowing that he is drunk as well. Donks just tend to play their cards.

I'm sure someone here said "Yeah, I'll fold." You know what - let me reiterate my position on cards so that people who cite preflop charts for rote won't bother me when I play 68s sometimes (hint hint, I'm making a post) - POKER DOESN'T EXIST IN A VACUUM. With dumbasses to the right and position, putting two small bets and gambling is just fine. There is just so much $$ to be had if you hit, so little to be lost if you miss.

Argun

[Joe Tall]

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You wouldn't take KJs to the flop in a ram n jam maniac game?


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Not for an average of 3+SBs, and it's very likely to be more than 3 in such a game.

[bernie]

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You wouldn't take KJs to the flop in a ram n jam maniac game?


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Not for an average of 3+SBs, and it's very likely to be more than 3 in such a game.

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You realize that KJs in that type of game is well above their average hand that they're going to the flop with?

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