Vegas 5/10nl

[2+2 wannabe]

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How can AA ever be a "slight favorite" in holdem?

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because if they have KQ and JT they have 12 combined outs against Hero, TWELVE! plus straight and flush opportunities! duh....

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 41.2386 % 41.09% 00.15% { AsAh }
Hand 2: 26.5621 % 26.42% 00.15% { KcQc }
Hand 3: 32.1993 % 32.05% 00.15% { JcTc }

[slickpoppa]

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Players are much more aggro and laggy and bluff rate is a lot higher.

With that being said, don't sit with less than 2K at any 5/10NL game in vegas but you should really have ~5K in front of you.

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This is from someone who is nowhere near these stakes (yet) so i could be wrong, but wouldn't this make sitting with $500 or so and playing super tight, almost short stack strategy pretty profitable?

Plus, if you are thinking of moving up, this might be more comfortable a transition

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nope, you are much better off taking that $500 to a 2/5 game where you are more comfortable to begin with.

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no, you do not want to buy short in a big game...take it from me...you buy in for 500 in a 5/10NL game, stacks are as big as 10K, avg stack is 2.5-3K.

you pick up AA on the button, super 10K maniac in EP makes it 200 to play. 2 callers and you have 500, obviously you push but against this type of game, chances are your AA is only a slight fav...this is just a very rudementary example why it's not smart.

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Surfinillini,

You are officially an idiot.

Regards,
Slickpoppa

[surfinillini]

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Players are much more aggro and laggy and bluff rate is a lot higher.

With that being said, don't sit with less than 2K at any 5/10NL game in vegas but you should really have ~5K in front of you.

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This is from someone who is nowhere near these stakes (yet) so i could be wrong, but wouldn't this make sitting with $500 or so and playing super tight, almost short stack strategy pretty profitable?

Plus, if you are thinking of moving up, this might be more comfortable a transition

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nope, you are much better off taking that $500 to a 2/5 game where you are more comfortable to begin with.

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no, you do not want to buy short in a big game...take it from me...you buy in for 500 in a 5/10NL game, stacks are as big as 10K, avg stack is 2.5-3K.

you pick up AA on the button, super 10K maniac in EP makes it 200 to play. 2 callers and you have 500, obviously you push but against this type of game, chances are your AA is only a slight fav...this is just a very rudementary example why it's not smart.

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Surfinillini,

You are officially an idiot.

Regards,
Slickpoppa

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btw - suck my balls and don't be such an arrogant prick.

I'll explain to you why your strategy is retarded and why you are the [censored] idiot.

[slickpoppa]

I look forward to hearing your explanation for why getting all-in preflop with AA in a cash game is bad.

[surfinillini]

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I look forward to hearing your explanation for why getting all-in preflop with AA in a cash game is bad.

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god you are a [censored] idiot, I'm not sure what limits you play, but in a game like 5/10NL, especially in vegas, you will not get heads up with a short stack post flop against monster stacks and laggy players.

Lets just say you're dealt AA on the button, UTG opens for the standard $50, MP makes it $150, CO calls, now what (you can push and make $200, min raise, or smooth call)...limiting your options this pot will most likely go 4 ways so your AA against 3 random hands makes you a 45% fav at best, this is less than a coinflip...if you're up against a bunch of low/mid suited connectors, you drop down to approx 35% fav.

I never said it's bad to get your money in with aces but this is a cash game and you should afford to be playing correctly on all streets, not just before the flop and then make an all in postflop b/c your essentially pot committed.

when youre going up against several opponents.

[slickpoppa]

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I look forward to hearing your explanation for why getting all-in preflop with AA in a cash game is bad.

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god you are a [censored] idiot, I'm not sure what limits you play, but in a game like 5/10NL, especially in vegas, you will not get heads up with a short stack post flop against monster stacks and laggy players.

Lets just say you're dealt AA on the button, UTG opens for the standard $50, MP makes it $150, CO calls, now what (you can push and make $200, min raise, or smooth call)...limiting your options this pot will most likely go 4 ways so your AA against 3 random hands makes you a 45% fav at best, this is less than a coinflip...if you're up against a bunch of low/mid suited connectors, you drop down to approx 35% fav.

I never said it's bad to get your money in with aces but this is a cash game and you should afford to be playing correctly on all streets, not just before the flop and then make an all in postflop b/c your essentially pot committed.

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First of all against 4 random hands, AA is a 62% favorite according to Pokerstove:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 62.4208 % 62.26% 00.17% { AA }
Hand 2: 08.5176 % 08.28% 00.23% { random }
Hand 3: 15.3807 % 15.03% 00.35% { random }
Hand 4: 13.6810 % 13.15% 00.53% { random }

So if you put in 200 against 3 other players, your EV would be about 480...yeah that really sucks.

But even if your AA is against more normal hands like:

Hand 1: 49.9132 % 49.86% 00.05% { AA }
Hand 2: 15.9254 % 15.87% 00.05% { KK }
Hand 3: 15.4578 % 15.41% 00.05% { QJs }
Hand 4: 18.7036 % 18.65% 00.05% { 87s }

It still has about 50% equity, which means that in the long run you will double up.

So again, what is your point?

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I understand you're percent reasoning but you have to give you're opponents a little credit to call 3 bets preflop.

I seriously doubt they would be holding a 27os or a 92os...type in the numbers again with the lowest suited connectors like 2c4c, etc...and recaculate.

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It still has about 50% equity, which means that in the long run you will double up.

So again, what is your point?


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if a player is buying in short, he's obviously doing it for low bankroll reasons so I'm not sure how long the long run will be...

[coltrane]

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How can AA ever be a "slight favorite" in holdem?

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because if they have KQ and JT they have 12 combined outs against Hero, TWELVE! plus straight and flush opportunities! duh....

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 41.2386 % 41.09% 00.15% { AsAh }
Hand 2: 26.5621 % 26.42% 00.15% { KcQc }
Hand 3: 32.1993 % 32.05% 00.15% { JcTc }

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where did you get those numbers?....they are absolutely wrong.....here's twodimes...

Holdem Hi: 1370754 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ah 994523 72.55 371671 27.11 4560 0.33 0.727
Kc Qc 180610 13.18 1185584 86.49 4560 0.33 0.133
Jc Tc 191061 13.94 1175133 85.73 4560 0.33 0.140

[2+2 wannabe]

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How can AA ever be a "slight favorite" in holdem?

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because if they have KQ and JT they have 12 combined outs against Hero, TWELVE! plus straight and flush opportunities! duh....

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 41.2386 % 41.09% 00.15% { AsAh }
Hand 2: 26.5621 % 26.42% 00.15% { KcQc }
Hand 3: 32.1993 % 32.05% 00.15% { JcTc }

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where did you get those numbers?....they are absolutely wrong.....here's twodimes...

Holdem Hi: 1370754 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ah 994523 72.55 371671 27.11 4560 0.33 0.727
Kc Qc 180610 13.18 1185584 86.49 4560 0.33 0.133
Jc Tc 191061 13.94 1175133 85.73 4560 0.33 0.140

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it was a JOPKE - I thought this claim was so absurd that I faux-defended it