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Old 11-27-2005, 07:26 PM
Fryguy Fryguy is offline
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Default Can I fold to THIS river raise

Opp is pretty standard type player, sorta passive.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB
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Old 11-27-2005, 07:28 PM
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Default Re: Can I fold to THIS river raise

No. You are good one it ten times.
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Old 11-27-2005, 07:31 PM
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Default Re: Can I fold to THIS river raise

All things being equal

I call it down about 1/3 of the time against an unknown. Rarely against a passive, and maybe about 1/2 against tricky or deceptive players. I don't expect to be good on a lot of these the call is more to keep people from taking to many shots.
If opponent seems to be pushing me offten or pushing the table I might up the calls a bit.
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Old 11-27-2005, 07:41 PM
VoraciousReader VoraciousReader is offline
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Default Re: Can I fold to THIS river raise

Here with the pot at 10 BBs, I probably call.

1)We are likely beaten, but the pot is large.

2)Even passive opponents will sometimes develop teeth once the pot gets HU and the scare card falls.

3)On this particular hand, the 2nd club didn't fall until the turn.

Those three considerations weight me toward a call.
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Old 11-27-2005, 09:05 PM
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Default Re: Can I fold to THIS river raise

1/10 times is not very often, so I typically call here. Kind of who knows if it's right or not though.
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Old 11-27-2005, 09:14 PM
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Default Re: Can I fold to THIS river raise

nope. he's "slowplaying" Jx/9x here too often.
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Old 11-27-2005, 09:18 PM
GTSamIAm GTSamIAm is offline
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Default Re: Can I fold to THIS river raise

I've seen even loose passives get wildly aggressive sometimes, especially on the river. I think fish like to bluff the river more than any other street.
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Old 11-27-2005, 10:08 PM
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Default Re: Can I fold to THIS river raise

It was a runner-runner backdoor. I pay it off.
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Old 11-27-2005, 10:09 PM
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Default Re: Can I fold to THIS river raise

The situation seems very read dependent here. With the pot as big as it is, you probably have to call. you are probably behind. You are scared of a flush, two pair, or a possible set. Against very straightforward players you can fold, but most of the time you have to call, I think. If you fold to scare cards too often, your table image may take a beating and you may have people making plays at you all the time.
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Old 11-27-2005, 10:24 PM
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I always call this because of the pot and if he was lucky enough to hit a runner-runner flush, then fine but I can see myself winning here against QJ, J10 and other pairs quite often. Because of his limp preflop this could very well be one of those hands but I could also see him sitting with two pair.

Btw, how come you bet the river if a raise scare you? I prefer check/call if I don't want a raise. Saves me 1 bet [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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