Party $55: turn play

wuwei · #1 10-03-2005, 09:40 PM

Level 1, no meaningful reads at this point. Feel free to comment on the flop as well.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

MP2 (t895)
MP3 (t565)
CO (t1020)
Hero (t960)
SB (t985)
BB (t1000)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t1095)
UTG+2 (t1550)
MP1 (t930)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, 4 folds, CO calls t15, Hero calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t72.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Hero bets t65, SB folds, BB calls t65, UTG+1 folds, CO folds.

Turn: (t202.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets t125, Hero...

wuwei · #2 10-04-2005, 01:53 AM

Turn: (t202.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets t125, Hero calls???

Karak567 · #3 10-04-2005, 02:09 AM

I would probably check the flop and take my free card on the turn.

But... in your situation I would probably raise/push whatever is appropriate.

Why would he lead into you with a made boat? I think we need to not be afraid of a boat here and push.

And if he does have a boat, you've got an out on the river ;-). haha

michw · #4 10-04-2005, 02:47 AM

I would not have bet the flop, but based on BB's action he has a J and has not filled up yet. I would push and pray he doesn't outdraw you when he calls.

Scuba Chuck · #5 10-04-2005, 03:01 AM

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I would not have bet the flop, but based on BB's action he has a J and has not filled up yet. I would push and pray he doesn't outdraw you when he calls.

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These were my thoughts... 90% of the time.

johnnybeef · #6 10-04-2005, 03:03 AM

dude, take your free card on the turn. on the flop someone was no doubt slowplaying the jack. bait him a little bit, but not enough to let him fill up for cheap.

wuwei · #7 10-04-2005, 03:10 AM

I don't see how his flop and turn action precludes a full house, but I agree that calling sucks and I need to raise. The vast majority of the time he just has trips.

So what's an appropriate amount to raise, and is there a good argument for just shoving the turn because most of my opponents will never find a fold here with a J?

Scuba Chuck · #8 10-04-2005, 03:13 AM

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I don't see how his flop and turn action precludes a full house, but I agree that calling sucks and I need to raise. The vast majority of the time he just has trips.

So what's an appropriate amount to raise, and is there a good argument for just shoving the turn because most of my opponents will never find a fold here with a J?

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The appropriate amount to bet is the amount that makes villain think that you're threatening his entire stack.

schwza · #9 10-04-2005, 10:27 AM

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I don't see how his flop and turn action precludes a full house, but I agree that calling sucks and I need to raise. The vast majority of the time he just has trips.

So what's an appropriate amount to raise, and is there a good argument for just shoving the turn because most of my opponents will never find a fold here with a J?

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The appropriate amount to bet is the amount that makes villain think that you're threatening his entire stack.

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agreed, and that amount is.... his entire stack. the odds are pretty good he has Jx. if so, a) he's going to call your push and b) he will not if a 4th diamond hits. if he's full or has a bigger flush, screw it, tough hand. if he has something like A7 or QQ, he's not calling your raise anyway. if he has the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], he's not going to call a big raise, and you don't want him to call a small raise. push.

edit: oh yeah, check the flop.