Turn c/r correct here?

Baloosh · #1 07-13-2005, 04:47 PM

Converter still seems to be borked, so I'll make it as readable as I can. All comments appreciated. This was my second hand at the table.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
MP1, CO, Button and SB call, Hero checks. 5 to the flop for 5 SBs.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

4.5BB
Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks. MP1 bets. Hero raises. MP1 calls.

8.5BB
River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets. MP1 folds.

Final Pot:

Lacking the 3-bet on the turn, I felt this river bet was for value. Does my line extract the maximum? Should I even be raising with a shitty kicker? I raised to find out just how bad my kicker was. I don't think he's calling a river raise, so either way I win 2 BB. (turn raise/call and bet/fold, or turn bet/call and bet/call)

aK13 · #2 07-13-2005, 04:50 PM

Raising for information is rarely correct.

I don't mind your play, FWIW.

GrunchCan · #3 07-13-2005, 04:51 PM

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I raised to find out just how bad my kicker was.

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Raise for value here, not for information. You never raise just for information.

Your play is fine.

eviljeff · #4 07-13-2005, 04:55 PM

I really don't like the turn check. we can't risk this getting checked around and losing the pot and our minds when a river [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] falls.

EDIT: woops, I totally missed that someone raised you on the flop. the play is fine.

nomadtla · #5 07-13-2005, 04:55 PM

I think turn c/r was a fantastic way to make him put you on a flush. I would have 3 bet the flop and led the turn.

Edit: realised my sarcasm may come across as truly liking the c/r. I don't like it cause you can't aford to have it checked through on this draw heavy board

arsixsixwy · #6 07-13-2005, 04:58 PM

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I think turn c/r was a fantastic way to make him put you on a flush.

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What difference does this make? If the villian has trips, do you really think he's folding? In fact, do you really think the villain is folding anything our hero has beaten?

Edit: Ha, posted this right as you made your edit. Please ignore. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Arcturus · #7 07-13-2005, 05:01 PM

It seems to me that he got scared of a possible flush. Would you still check-raise if a non-heart came up?

2+2 Junkie · #8 07-13-2005, 05:02 PM

grunching

I am not sure about the raise on the turn? What could he be raising with on the flop? He could have a 10, pocket 7's, or he might have a flush draw. If he has a T, he has a better kicker I almost guarantee, and when the turn comes out, it completes the possible flush.
So my question is, why the raise? What is your reasoning here considering he raised the flop?

Baloosh · #9 07-13-2005, 05:03 PM

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I think turn c/r was a fantastic way to make him put you on a flush. I would have 3 bet the flop and led the turn.

Edit: realised my sarcasm may come across as truly liking the c/r. I don't like it cause you can't aford to have it checked through on this draw heavy board

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I seriously doubt that since he raised me on the flop and I backed off, that he's going to check the turn. Rather, if he's on a flush draw or a 7, then betting the turn after I just call the flop raise is probably thought of (by him) as a semi-bluff. After I raise him, he starts thinking "Big Blind? This cat could have a 10."

Shillx · #10 07-13-2005, 05:04 PM

Bet the turn. If the turn card were the 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I would check/raise against a typical player and bet-3bet from time to time against a better player. Checking the turn here just can't be right though.

Brad