Chris Moneymaker's brilliant pre flop advice.

Yads · #1 04-13-2005, 05:59 PM

Check out this nugget:
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First, we need some shorthand to describe hands. KK means a pair of kings as your starting two cards. T9s means a ten and a nine of the same suit. K8o means a king and an eight of different suits. AJs means an ace and a jack of the same suit.

AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AKs, AKo, or AQs - RAISE

Don't worry about how many bets it already costs - just raise. Of course, if the betting is already capped, you can only call.

TT, 99, 88, 77, AQo, AJs, ATs, KQs, KQo, KJs, QJs - CALL or FOLD

If it's just one bet, then call. Once you've called one bet, then call however many more bets you must to see the flop. But if it's already two bets to you before you've put any money in the pot, don't call just fold.

All Other Hands - FOLD

This may seem like incredibly tight play, and it is. But you'll get the money this way. It will also give you time to watch the play of people around you and allow you to get comfortable with the game.

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http://www.chrismoneymaker.com/holdemb4flop.html

MoreWineII · #2 04-13-2005, 06:01 PM

Can you go over the part about what KK means again?

CallMeIshmael · #3 04-13-2005, 06:02 PM

What???

You don't like calling capped betting from rocky McRockALot with AQs?

Or folding TT/AQo to a CO open raise from a maniac??

I question your play.

KaiShin · #4 04-13-2005, 06:03 PM

This is almost as useful as Daniel Negranau's tips on The Score when they air the EPT broadcasts.

This is for first time players, so its all fine I guess [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

SeaEagle · #5 04-13-2005, 06:05 PM

Give the guy a break. If you were a complete beginner, you could do worse than following this advice.

Pokey · #6 04-13-2005, 06:07 PM

Note the page title "First Time Playing Hold 'Em." You don't want to overwhelm a first time player with concepts like blind stealing and speculative limping, and you DEFINITELY don't want some total novice in a hand with 66 thinking they're good to go when the flop comes A-8-7. Overly tight means your post-flop decisions are likely to be much simpler, and for a novice, simple is good.

I can see this being a good crutch for the utter newbie to lean on when first sitting at a Hold 'Em table, much like Caro's "littles are poison" idea.

Remember: you need experience and skill before you can safely start breaking the "rules."

...Still, KQs call/fold? Geez, Chris....

Yads · #7 04-13-2005, 06:23 PM

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Give the guy a break. If you were a complete beginner, you could do worse than following this advice.

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Sure, but advocating that once you put money in the pot you should call any number of bets with KQo is just bad advice.

SeaEagle · #8 04-13-2005, 06:33 PM

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Sure, but advocating that once you put money in the pot you should call any number of bets with KQo is just bad advice.

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So you have about 2, maybe 3, index cards on which to explain PF play to a person who is playing for the first time and doesn't know what KK means. What do you tell them that doesn't have some bad advice strewn in?

Besides, if you want to wail on the guy, post the post-flop advice [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]