KK faces turn check raise against TAG

Yads · #1 04-06-2005, 10:13 AM

Is the plan to call and call a bet on the river, Should I raise and fold to a cap?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO (Villain) raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, CO :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls.

Flop: (15.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks, Villain checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, Villain raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG+2 folds, MP3 calls, Villain calls.

Turn: (13.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP3 checks, Villain checks, Hero bets, MP3 folds, Villain raises, Hero?

Bill C · #2 04-06-2005, 10:29 AM

Easy fold. You've been checkraised twice, the flush is out there, as is a straight and you have just a pair. If he has the flush or the straight, you're way behind.

bill

chief444 · #3 04-06-2005, 10:31 AM

I'd call down getting 8.5:1 or so (on the calldown). It certainly looks like a flush though. But I think you see a worse overpair enough since CO is an unknown to showdown.

Yads · #4 04-06-2005, 10:36 AM

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I'd call down getting 8.5:1 or so (on the calldown). It certainly looks like a flush though. But I think you see a worse overpair enough since CO is an unknown to showdown.

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CO is a TAG

chief444 · #5 04-06-2005, 10:38 AM

OH...right there in the title. I fold then.

SeaEagle · #6 04-06-2005, 10:39 AM

Villian's play sure makes it look like he hit his flush. I think you're behind more than 50% of the time, so betting is costing you chips.

Raising and folding to a cap costs you the same as calling but you don't get to see a showdown. I'd call it down.

Evan · #7 04-06-2005, 10:42 AM

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betting is costing you chips.

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Absurd.

SeaEagle · #8 04-06-2005, 10:46 AM

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Easy fold.

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With a pot this big, you have to be 89.6% (17.25-2) sure that you're beat to make this a good fold. I'm virtually never 90% sure of anything in poker.

There are a number of hands he could be raising the turn that are consistent with his play so far. QQ,JJ,TT (especially with a club), and any A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

I'm pretty sure you're beat, but I'm not 90% sure.

Fat Nicky · #9 04-06-2005, 10:47 AM

I can't make this fold, i'd call down and hope to be shown QQ.

SeaEagle · #10 04-06-2005, 10:49 AM

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betting is costing you chips.

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Absurd.

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Now that you put it that way, I see how wrong I was. Excellent reasoning.