Ugly River

Al P · #1 02-05-2005, 08:54 PM

I don't think I can possibly get called by anyone who doesn't beats me.

However it may be possible to get a small heart to fold by betting [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Come to think of it, by betting 1 chip and getting a very small heart to fold it doesn't have to work very damn often to be correct.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, MP2 calls, CO calls $1.50 (All-In), SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (15.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

__Q__ · #2 02-05-2005, 10:16 PM

I think its a good play to throw a bet at the pot in these types of situations. Although, I think the All in hurts you a bit. I'd definitely fold to a raise.

Al P · #3 02-05-2005, 11:26 PM

The more I think about it, the more I think a bet is in order here. I've shown strength the entire time so the chance that a super weak heart folds is greater than 1:15.

But anyway

Results in white below: 
SB has 5c 6s (one pair, sixes).
BB has Ks Td (one pair, kings).
Hero has 4d 4c (three of a kind, fours).
CO doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins 15.75 BB.

Shillx · #4 02-05-2005, 11:29 PM

I think you are overthinking how often a better hand will fold. It is much closer to zero then you think. I would never fold a flush on this board for one bet given your flop action.

Brad

radek2166 · #5 02-06-2005, 12:30 AM

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I would never fold a flush on this board for one bet given your flop action.

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We have a winner!!!!!

hate · #6 02-06-2005, 01:16 AM

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I think you are overthinking how often a better hand will fold. It is much closer to zero then you think. I would never fold a flush on this board for one bet given your flop action.

Brad

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You know, I really would completely agree, but then stuff like this happens and I realize I have no [censored] clue what people play with.

Texas Hold'em $0.25-$0.50 (real money), hand #627,961,243
Table Bucaramanga, 5 Feb 2005 8:01 PM ET

Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
PRE-FLOP
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, Hero checks.

FLOP [board cards Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, [color]Button caps, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

TURN [ 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
Hero bets, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, Button raises, [color]Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, Button caps, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

RIVER [ T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ]
Hero bets, MP1 folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls.

Hand total 29BB

SHOWDOWN
Button shows [ 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ] K-high flush
Hero shows [ T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ] Full House, Tens over Aces
Hero wins $14.35.

AngelicPenguin · #7 02-06-2005, 04:18 AM

I'm checking the river. I don't think anybody would drop a heart that is still here.

Nottom · #8 02-06-2005, 04:29 AM

Checking against 2 opponents is usually right. The only time a bet moight be correct would be if the first guy is a total calling station but the second guy is a somewhat thinking player who hopefully doesn't notice that the other guy is a total calling station.

Agasint 1 player this is more interesting.

Nottom · #9 02-06-2005, 04:30 AM

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I think you are overthinking how often a better hand will fold. It is much closer to zero then you think. I would never fold a flush on this board for one bet given your flop action.

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On the flip side he is seriously underestimating a person's ability to call without a heart.

TomBrooks · #10 02-06-2005, 05:52 AM

I'd throw a bet at it. If you don't, some heart is almost always going to take the pot, so I'd give it a shot. The two players in front of you didn't bet, so if either or both have a heart, it's probably not a real big, supersize one. -TomBk