Poker Stars WCOOP 1st event yesterday...

[BradleyT]

Congrats on your results. I assume you got 3rd?

[curtains]

I would never let 2 opponents make a deal with that kind of money on the line. A huge part of the chip leaders advantage is being able to bully the shorter stacks because they really dont want to come in 3rd. If I found out my two opponents made a save at that point, I would try to have them forfeited and awarded first place, and I don't think I'd be at all out of bounds doing so.
Despite all of that the guy was a total dickhead, and congrats on your finish.

[1800GAMBLER]

If you were in the final 3 you spoiled it for yourself when asking for him to make a deal and he said 'it's overrr'. You should have taken more time to explain to him you would give him first place (or first place -$1k) and fixed your own deal with 2nd/3rd, but once he said 'it's overrr' both of you given up.

[Gotmilk]

curtains, people make all kinds of saves all the time. I am not a big fan of this. However, using the fact that they made a save to try to forfeit them sounds like one of the most slimiest underhanded things one could do to undeservedly win a tournament.

[Meatmaw]

Could someone explain what it means to "make a save"?

[curtains]

In this circumstance, this save would greatly influence the strategy involved. It's a very unfair advantage to the lower stacks to make a deal like this, as one of the big advantages the giant stack has is that everytime they raise, the smaller stacks are scared to call.
Once the 2nd +3rd place guys make a private deal amongst themselves, this fear is no longer there, and your chances of stealing pots as the leader go down. I think its completely unfair and unethical, and if it's stated publicly that the 2nd+3rd place guys are trying to do such a thing, they should be forfeited, given 2nd+3rd place money, and 1st place money should be awarded to the big stack.
Regardless of whether people do it all the time, If I were to attempt to make a private deal with the other short stack in that situation, I'd consider it cheating, as I think its pretty obvious that it affects the gameplay, without the consent of one of the players.

[Meatmaw]

Granted I still don't know what a "save" is, but I can't see how anything short of conceding 1st place to the chip leader could be ethical. Any "deal" between any two players after which the game continues can hardly be anything short of collusion, right? Please correct me if I'm wrong (with an example).

And/or tell me what a save is. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Gotmilk]

yes i know, but whining to support for a forfeit isnt the mark of a champion!

[curtains]

I would inform the tournament director of what happened, and I would expect the director to forfeit the players on his or her own. I wouldn't cry for a forfeit, although I think it would be the expected result in any reputable tournament.
Imagine if every time you played a sit and go on partypoker, the 2 short stacks made a deal to split whatever prize money they win. It would change the strategy so drastically.

[jasonHoldEm]

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