KQ against a LAG and another player

Yads · #1 07-03-2005, 11:52 PM

BB is a LAG, MP is an unknown. Anyone play this differently?
On the river I figure a clear value bet against these guys? I have to call on the end as well given the size of the pot and that I'm closing the action, right?

Ultimate Bet 3/6 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (8 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB 3-bets, MP calls, Hero caps, BB calls, MP calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, BB raises, MP calls, Hero calls.

River: (16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, BB raises, MP calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 22 BB

adamstewart · #2 07-03-2005, 11:57 PM

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BB is a LAG

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Could you elabourate on this?

How laggy is he? Stats? Any notable tendencies?

Adam

Yads · #3 07-04-2005, 09:49 AM

about 55/16/2.0

so not terribly lag. I put him on garbage or a crappy 2 pair that just got counterfeited on the river.

adamstewart · #4 07-04-2005, 01:05 PM

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about 55/16/2.0

so not terribly lag. I put him on garbage or a crappy 2 pair that just got counterfeited on the river.

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Counterfeited... perhaps... but only if he's holding K4 or J4.

Overall, I'd say the whole hand is pretty standard. The only two spots that involve some thought are the flop cap and the river bet (both of which I agree with).

Your flop cap is good because, after all, you said BB is a LAG, so you don't really have to respect his flop aggression as much. Plus, you're making MP pay, or pushing him out.

The river bet is pretty standard for me too. After all, it was checked to you, and as you said.... his two-pair may have just been counterfeited.

FWIW, I would say that 3-betting either the turn or river river be chip-spewing.

Adam

StellarWind · #5 07-04-2005, 01:39 PM

You got check-3bet on a rainbow flop. What's that supposed to be? Do you think this is good news?

I would call the flop checkraise to maintain better control over the hand.

1. Avoids creating an easy checkraise on the turn when BB actually has the hand he says he does.

2. Allows me to get out cheaply when the turn goes bet-raise in front of me. Sometimes MP has an actual reason for still being involved in the hand.

3. Allowing a turn bet to go through MP puts maximum pressure on him to fold a weak but dangerous draw such as a gutshot or jack. He has to be acutely aware that he is not acting last and it will often go several bets. Betting the turn from the button makes it very easy for him to do the right thing whatever that may be.

4. Gives me the option to raise or call down depending on the turn card. Against an ordinary LAG as opposed to an idiot our pot equity is not that wonderful in a 3-way pot. We are often behind and are probably at least facing a lot of outs on this dangerous flop. We also have roughly the hand our opponents expect us to have, ensuring maximum damage when we are behind. Calling down is not at all a bad option, especially if one of many questionable cards turns.