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#21
07-01-2005, 06:18 PM
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Re: River = chip-spewing?
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I was doing exactly what you said -- trying to maximize my chances in a big pot. [/ QUOTE ] Problem is, c/r'ing this flop won't do that for you because it won't fold anybody. [ QUOTE ] I think that it's significant that, in the end, I was only called on the river bet by a single person. [/ QUOTE ] Not to your flop play, it isn't. And, it's good you had a plan, but any plan that keeps you betting in this situation seems like a bad one to me. Since we've booked our ticket to Results-Oriented Land, though, what did the one person that called you flip over? 
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#22
07-01-2005, 08:25 PM
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Re: River = chip-spewing?
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[ QUOTE ] I know, I know, maximize chance of winning the pot, blah blah, but you're not going to drive out overcards or anything else once you're 6 players to the flop in a raised pot. [/ QUOTE ] I was doing exactly what you said -- trying to maximize my chances in a big pot. I think that it's significant that, in the end, I was only called on the river bet by a single person. The chance to win that pot isn't worth 2BB at the minimum? Certainly, and perhaps I should have stated this at the beginning, in the face of any sort of resistance or play-back, I was going into check/call mode at best, and folding if I had to overcall. [/ QUOTE ] the only thing you maximized was the size of the pot. you weren't helping your case here at all. you think they'll call 1 bet, but suddenly fold because of your c/r? you're giving better odds for anyone to suck out on your already uber-vulnerable pair of 6s plus backdoors. [ QUOTE ] I think that it's significant that, in the end, I was only called on the river bet by a single person. [/ QUOTE ] result-oriented. not long term +EV. plus you think having only 1 person calling you is an accomplishment? isn't so great when he has a 9. that isn't anything to cheer about really.
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#23
07-01-2005, 08:29 PM
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Re: River = chip-spewing?
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the only thing you maximized was the size of the pot. you weren't helping your case here at all. you think they'll call 1 bet, but suddenly fold because of your c/r? you're giving better odds for anyone to suck out on your already uber-vulnerable pair of 6s plus backdoors. [/ QUOTE ] Yikes. Seems like I made at least a couple of errors on this one. Raising the flop and betting the river. Thanks to all for the comments. Villain turned over ATo for Ace-high.
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#24
07-01-2005, 09:01 PM
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Re: River = chip-spewing?
First, do not call this hand in MP3. That is spewing.
Button must have been the only one paying attention to the board, responding to your raise on the fairly coordinated flop. I think you have to let the river check through, you are probably only getting a call from a hand that beats you.
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#25
07-01-2005, 09:27 PM
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Re: River = chip-spewing?
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By calling with this preflop in mp3 yes you are chip spweing. [/ QUOTE ] and going with the OP's read: [ QUOTE ] Table was typically LP [/ QUOTE ] do you hate money or something?
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#26
07-01-2005, 09:40 PM
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Re: River = chip-spewing?
I don't care what anybody says, I'm limping here all the time in LP on a loose/passive table.
What were you trying to do by c/r'ing the flop? I don't think BPSK, BDFD, and a gutshot is good enough to trap bets. Either Bet into the PF raiser if you want to knock out peeps, or check/call, and re-evaluate where you stand on the turn. I like the latter choice better. I don't know how to feel about betting the turn, though based off the flop, I don't think button has an overpair, you have a crapload of cards to dodge for the river(9's, A-T overs, diamonds, your 5 outs suck). If you felt you had enough fold equity, betting is cool, though I'd probably check it. I'd probably check the river too cause I'm going through my weak-tight phase. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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#28
07-02-2005, 12:57 PM
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Re: River = chip-spewing?
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I knew it was coming. "I won the pot, so my play must've been right." Congrats. [/ QUOTE ] I never said that, and in fact have admitted in this thread that I misplayed the hand. But if you want to put words in my mouth, feel free.. I guess. I do appreciate your (and everyone's) comments. I'm still learning...
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