JTs hand

Dead · #1 04-20-2005, 10:18 PM

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls, UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (14 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, SB calls, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, SB caps, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (15.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (19.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, SB 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 35.50 BB

istewart · #2 04-20-2005, 10:20 PM

I play it the same. Although I can hardly ever see you being good here [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

gvibes · #3 04-20-2005, 10:27 PM

Yep, looks good.

istewart · #4 04-20-2005, 10:31 PM

Dead, do you go to Syracuse?

SippinSoma · #5 04-20-2005, 10:36 PM

All streets look okay to me.

Catt · #6 04-20-2005, 10:39 PM

This is a hand where I might actually consider a back-raise.

aK13 · #7 04-20-2005, 11:05 PM

I'm not seeing it. Why are we 3betting the flop? is this to pump our draw?

hicherbie · #8 04-20-2005, 11:10 PM

with 3 people calling you...id get as much money in this flop as possible

edit: and wow, a carpal playing the quarter games? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

KaiShin · #9 04-20-2005, 11:13 PM

You've got the entire field trapped, this is textbook flush draw pot pumping... or something.

I love SB's lead-call-cap. Is that one in anyone else's playbook?

Shillx · #10 04-20-2005, 11:19 PM

A read would be helpful, but just calling this river might be the best play. Yes you have the 2nd nut flush and you will only see the nut flush 6% of the time, but you have to consider these factors:

1) The Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the river is huge. It is impossible for him to have Qx [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

2) You hold both the J and T of [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. This means that he would have to be going crazy on the flop with 9x [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or less.

3) You can open up a big can of worms by raising the river. He is certainly going to 3-bet the nut flush so you have to be at least a 2:1 favorite over his flush to raise. I say this because we don't know what the action will be behind us. If we know that all these clowns will be willing to put 4 bets in, then we only have to be correct 25% of the time to raise. But we don't know that when the action gets to us as UTG+1 might fold (as the BB might as well) or he might have a boat and reraise.

4) The way this hand was played, you have to put the SB on a flush and he has to put you on a flush. If he had something like 65 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] it would be foolish for him to bet the river. Now he probably isn't thinking at this level but it is something to consider as you become a better player. You have all but given your hand away on 3rd and 4th (and getting value from it). But getting that value comes with a price. You have less room to make moves at the river since everyone will know you have a flush (or missed it). You should be scared when he bets into you.

Brad