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Old 12-23-2005, 06:39 PM
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Default KK vs. JJ? - I don\'t trust my math.

You both get all your money in the middle on a ragged flop (NL HE). Is your opponent who has JJ an 11-1 dog? And can you expect to lose in this spot once in every 12 times on average?

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Old 12-23-2005, 11:26 PM
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Default Re: KK vs. JJ? - I don\'t trust my math.

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Old 12-24-2005, 12:16 AM
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If he has 11 losses for every 1 win, then you have 1 loss for every 11 wins, so you expect to lose 1 in 12 hands.
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Old 12-24-2005, 10:46 AM
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Greetings, and I also don't always trust my math. More importantly, I'm often too lazy. I don't know if you're aware of it, but there's a website that has a free poker calculator. In your case, you would just enter Kh Ks on one line and Js Jd on another line and then indicate the cards on the flop (say 2h 6d 8c). You could run the simulation without a flop too. Or you could create any scenario you'd like with more than two hands as well. This would avoid the necessity of asking somebody here this type of question and then having to wait possibly hours. I've included an example of the question you asked below. Anyways, the website is: http://www.twodimes.net

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http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1424019
pokenum -h kh ks - jd jc -- 2h 6s 8c
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 6s 8c 2h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ks Kh 907 91.62 83 8.38 0 0.00 0.916
Jc Jd 83 8.38 907 91.62 0 0.00 0.084


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Old 12-24-2005, 01:50 PM
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Default Re: KK vs. JJ? - I don\'t trust my math.

Thanks. I saw that site a while back and forgot about it. Looks like I'll be busy for a few hours. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Old 12-24-2005, 02:32 PM
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Default Re: KK vs. JJ? - I don\'t trust my math.

[ QUOTE ]
Greetings, and I also don't always trust my math. More importantly, I'm often too lazy. I don't know if you're aware of it, but there's a website that has a free poker calculator. In your case, you would just enter Kh Ks on one line and Js Jd on another line and then indicate the cards on the flop (say 2h 6d 8c). You could run the simulation without a flop too. Or you could create any scenario you'd like with more than two hands as well. This would avoid the necessity of asking somebody here this type of question and then having to wait possibly hours. I've included an example of the question you asked below. Anyways, the website is: http://www.twodimes.net

Result
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1424019
pokenum -h kh ks - jd jc -- 2h 6s 8c
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 6s 8c 2h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ks Kh 907 91.62 83 8.38 0 0.00 0.916
Jc Jd 83 8.38 907 91.62 0 0.00 0.084


JeffreyREBT "Wherein I don't promise to make you rich without trying, or even trying very hard; I do promise to say things that will make you FEEL rich."

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I think pokerstove is easier to use.
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Old 12-26-2005, 11:14 PM
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Default Re: KK vs. JJ? - I don\'t trust my math.

There's always my site, too (shameless plug)
KK vs JJ on ragged brd
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:26 PM
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Default Re: KK vs. JJ? - I don\'t trust my math.

If by "ragged flop" you mean all cards lower than Jack with three different suits and no likely straights, KK will win 90% of the time against JJ. So KK will lose one hand in 10, not 12.
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