Limp-folding

[kirahvi]

I limp UTG with AJ. A rock (13/3) next to me raises. It's folded to me and I fold. Does this make sense? If you answer yes, should I call with AJ suited?

[thirddan]

raising AJ UTG is correct in most online small stakes games...

and once you have limped it is generally bad to fold for one more bet...there is dead money in the pot and you are getting 4.5-1 on your call of the raise...plus it creates a bad/weak image...

if it is 2 back to you then you should obviously fold most of your hands...

[kirahvi]

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you are getting 4.5-1 on your call of the raise...


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If I'm on BB with AJ and the same rock raises in EP, folding is the only option. I'm getting 3.5-1 from BB. Are you saying that this is a big difference?

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plus it creates a bad/weak image...


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I don't think that image matters in small stakes games. And if players think I'm weak that's fine.

[thirddan]

yes there is a difference between limping and calling one bet and defending your bb...

also, while normal image plays and image development aren't necessarily important in small stakes games, something like limp/folding is noticed by many people since it seems quite odd and is something most (correctly) don't do...this is something that people will notice and then take shots at you...

[Soh]

Just never fold in this situation. NEVER, unless you know 99.99% sure that he only raises with AA or something like that.

Soh

[donkeyradish]

I usually fold AJo UTG at a full table, am I playing too tightly?

Plus, I may even fold AQo UTG. But always raise when I decide to play either.

Will call 1 bet if raised tho'

[cpk]

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I usually fold AJo UTG at a full table, am I playing too tightly?

Plus, I may even fold AQo UTG. But always raise when I decide to play either.

Will call 1 bet if raised tho'

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I went through a period of experimentation where I folded AJo in EP. I think it turned out to be the wrong thing. It's close, but you're definitely giving something away. In any case, it's not enough to compromise your bottom line.

I already went through the case for limping with it in EP. If you choose to raise, instead, you're probably not making a large mistake, but I don't think raising is optimal except in the sorts of games you typically find only at the cardroom these days. . . .

[kirahvi]

Thanks cpk, great posts.

I usually just limp with AJ under the gun, because i want people to play dominated hands (A7, J9). Of course, if they are so loose that they cold call with these hands any way, you should raise.

The situation I described in my first post is probably the only one where limp-folding (for one bet) may be considered. It seems that it's close and you should take the flop though.

[krimson]

Raise AJ, so that next time the rock throws his AQ away.

[pokernicus]

1. I open raise with AJ from any position. I might fold AJ in early position if facing a raise (depends on situation, of course...) -- but with no raise in front, I raise myself.

2. I never enter a pot and fold to a raise when it's only one more bet. I can't think of a situation where you would do this with any hand you considered entering the pot with in the first place (except for maybe if the limp was a mis-click in the first place). I probably fold, though, if it's raised and re-raised.

Here,
- A) you're getting great odds to call here (even if you're dominated).
- B) rock may even be raising with hands that do not dominate you or may even be worse than what you hold (e.g., KQs, ATs, TT, 99, etc.) to buy button, drive out the blinds, etc.