Fold or raise the flop from the button? I raised.

Georgia Peach · #1 02-27-2005, 01:44 AM

I have to raise the flop, don't I? I do not have exact reads but I'm assuming straight draws aplenty and perhaps I'm outkicked for top pair. The river was scary, so I checked too.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds.

River: (13.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

ewile · #2 02-27-2005, 01:51 AM

The flop raise is absolutely correct.
I'm interested to hear what others think about checking the river.

thesharpie · #3 02-27-2005, 01:55 AM

I don't know if this is right, but I would smooth call, then raise the turn if the turn isn't an overcard, or a straight card. I figure you're not getting a gutshot draw to fold on the flop for one more small bet. If I'm wrong could someone help me plug this leak? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Folding is definitely the wrong play though.

JKetzer · #4 02-27-2005, 01:56 AM

I play this the same way.

istewart · #5 02-27-2005, 01:57 AM

I think waiting for the turn might be better. I'd like to hear the thoughts of others though.

Raza · #6 02-27-2005, 02:02 AM

Looks to me like your out of position to be able to protect your hand on the flop. I say call here and wait to the turn to protect your hand.

zuluking · #7 02-27-2005, 02:03 AM

By raising the flop you have given the others 14-1 to call.

JKetzer · #8 02-27-2005, 02:05 AM

Now that I look at it, this is correct. Raising the flop actually hurts in this regard because it almost guarantees that everyone will have odds to call everything on the turn regardless of what you do. Raise the turn instead and it is now wrong to call a gutshot draw.

This concept is the one I have the most trouble applying from SSH - waiting until the turn to protect a hand.

So I will play it the way the OP did. But I should wait for the turn. Ha.

SteveL91 · #9 02-27-2005, 02:20 AM

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This concept is the one I have the most trouble applying from SSH - waiting until the turn to protect a hand.

So I will play it the way the OP did. But I should wait for the turn. Ha.

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What helps me in situations like this is asking myself if I raise, will I be forcing folds? When everyone involved in the hand has called one bet on the flop, they won't fold for another one, so, in this case, the answer is no; thus, waiting for the turn is the better play.

Georgia Peach · #10 02-27-2005, 02:21 AM

Results:

River: (13.50 BB) 7h (4 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Results below:
SB has Ks Kh (one pair, kings).
MP1 has Ah Th (one pair, tens).
MP2 has 6c 7c (two pair, sevens and sixes).
Hero has Jc Td (one pair, tens).
Outcome: MP2 wins 13.50 BB.