Retarded Hand 30/60 PS

[joker122]

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you could do some math on te hand, figure out pot odds and his range of hands and see if is hould call with AJ there...

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give me his range here and i'll do it.

[Jeff W]

Do you think he should fold to the turn check/raise or river bet from UTG? It seems to me that this line doesn't imply that UTG can beat AJ >5.4/6.4 times.

[1800GAMBLER]

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Do you think he should fold to the turn check/raise or river bet from UTG? It seems to me that this line doesn't imply that UTG can beat AJ >5.4/6.4 times.

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MP2 would def play AQ AK like that. So that's 16 times you lose. Assuming KK QQ JJ TT is his pocket pair range that's 24 combinations, your showdown odds are roughly 5:1, gotta win 1/6.

16 times he's legit, so he needs to be bluffing 16 * 1/6, or 2.6 combinations to break even. so if he has 24 combinations of hands to bluff with so, he only needs to decide to bluff 1/10th of the time with KK QQ JJ TT for you to break even.

man, i made that harder than it need to be, but the result is shocking. so it def looks like a call.

[Jeff W]

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MP2 would def play AQ AK like that.

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MP2 folded to the turn bet--I don't think he would play AQ/AK that way. I think you're confused about who raised the turn because there is no way that AK-AQ, KK-TT is UTG's hand range.

Your analysis is still useful for the situation where MP2 raises us instead of folding--though I think it's even more favorable if you included splitting/drawing out chances.

[1800GAMBLER]

Jesus why do i bother:


BRUISER:
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My plan was to value bet both of them, and if MP2 raises turn then fold.

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YOU:
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I don't like your turn _plan_. Isn't a stars 30/60 player capable of raising you w/ a middle pair for a free showdown?

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NOTICE BRUISERS _PLAN_ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH UTG SINCE HE DOESN'T MEANTION HIM SO WHEN YOU REPLY WITH THAT IT IMPLIES THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MP2

[Jeff W]

You are out of line, man. In the post you quoted earlier:

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Do you think he should fold to the turn check/raise or river bet from UTG? It seems to me that this line doesn't imply that UTG can beat AJ >5.4/6.4 times.

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I specifically reference UTG in my question and note that he check-raised.

And now you condescend to me when I point out that your reply is talking about MP2 and not UTG? Bullshit. I even respectfully noted that your analysis was useful when discussing the situation where we are raised by MP2 instead of when he folds.

[1800GAMBLER]

Fair call my quote was wrong. He def should not fold to the other guy.

[diddle]

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Should I fold when UTG raises though, it's kind of fishy that he limps there (AT AJ A9s?) and plays like this.


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Hell freaking no.