Dumbest attempted angleshot ever at Hollywood Park

[Nilbud]

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Hollywood Park, as those of you who live in LA know, is located in Inglewood in a predominantly black neighborhood. The top section has a higher proportion of black players, in my opinion, than other casinos in LA (and there are several other casinos in town).

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To relate it directly to poker, I think your sample size is too small to make these sorts of judgements. I am not convinced that you are a rampaging racist, but I think your logic is flawed.

If there is a higher percentage of black players at this casino, wouldn't it be more likely that all the angle shooting you've witnessed just happened to be black players because the odds are better?

Or, looking at it from a different angle, how are you going to use this "tell" to make more money? Are you going to start avoiding, or getting up from, tables that have black players at them? I submit that, even if your "tell" was correct, you would lose more than you would gain trying to avoid the angle-shooting.

So, basically, you're theory is most likely complete bollocks, and you've stirred up a hornets nest...definitely -EV.

[Michael Davis]

Good post. I think I have a bigger problem with the claim that the black pro was "embarrassed" about the hand. Unless he specifically said embarrassed, I think that's just a horrible misread, and, while not overtly racist, is symptomatic of the type of racism Sklansky brings up in PG&L.

-Michael

[steamboatin]

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Let's clear up a few things.

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Okay lets try

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I meant no offense towards any particular 2+2er in my original post.

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Racist comments are offensive, PERIOD. No if, ands, or buts. If you don't want to offend, don't make racists statements.

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Hollywood Park, as those of you who live in LA know, is located in Inglewood in a predominantly black neighborhood. The top section has a higher proportion of black players, in my opinion, than other casinos in LA (and there are several other casinos in town).

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Doesn't it give you a clue that you even notice how many black people are at the table? If you didn't have an issue, you wouldn't notice or care.

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I tend to pay keen attention to what takes place when I'm not in a hand. (See the "tells" post on this board.)

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You tells post was worthless crap, its just that everyone was too polite to tell you. Unless you play with the same players on a regular basis, TELLS have very little value.

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I'm not out to heal the world or make political connections when I play cards, so I could care less.

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I believe that part about you could care less but I don't believe it is only at the poker table.

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(This person was not Asian.) He said that he has noticed this happen several times before at Commerce -- always with Asian players. Is his a racist comment? Does he hate Asians? If he plays more carefully in certain situations because of what he noticed, should we call him names?

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Yes, it is a racial comment.

He may not hate Asians but I believe He doesn't trust Asians and when you prejudge someone based upon race, that is prejudice.

If he plays more carefully, then no, but if He posts it on an Internet message board then, yes, I would call him names. I doubt that you will understand the difference, but you and He were having a discussion about players based on race. He wasn't just playing careful with his mouth shut, He was talking about poker players based upon race.

This reply might seem harsh but I was young and white once and have spent most of my adult life trying to unlearn all this useless racist bullshit. So I believe I have the moral authority to speak on this matter.

You are wrong, your post is wrong and if you ever grow up and become emotionally mature, you will understand.

[Luv2DriveTT]

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It's funny how intolerant you are of others' statements, the very sort of free speech which is protected by the constitution.

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This is a private forum, you have no free speach protection here. You can be censored at any time by the moderators.

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[Luv2DriveTT]

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Yes, it is a racial comment.

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Steamboat:

Although I agree with you in principal, and I applaud your sense of morality, I never thought his statement was racist. I do however think he has proven himself to be a bigot. Racist is a very strong word in my "language", its something I will not easily use without care. As an example Archie Bunker was a bigot, not a racist. To me racism starts when seperatisim is involved. Stereotyping of an individual due to race is bigoted.

Feel free to discuss, perhaps there may be something redeeming from this thread after all.

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[steamboatin]

I tend to use the terms interchangeably. If I used the wrong term, I appologize, The OP is free to think what he wants, but posting it here is wrong and his replies trying to justify his OP are also in error.

At one time, I thought just like the OP, That is how I was raised and I didn't know any better. I probably tend to overreact in these situations.

[A-Baum]

Holy crap what a bunch of uptight spring-loaded a-holes we have here. You guys are so quick to jump all over this guy because he brought race into the matter.

And whoever posted that this guy's a racist/bigot because he's aware of the color of skin of the players at his table, you sir are a jackass. Don't give me this "I don't see skin color" crap because every single person here notices because we have eyes and have the phisiological ability to differentiate between different colors, especially contrasting colors like white and dark. And if you don't notice the color of skin of people at your table, then I'd LOVE to play at your table because that's probably not the only thing you're not seeing.

And for the record, I notice skin color, ethnicity, age, weight, and the way people hold themselves in general even before they sit down at my table. **IN MY EXPERIENCE**, each ethnicity seems to have its own style of play. Now before you wishful Utopians get all bent out of shape and reach for the REPLY button, obviously not every member of each ethnicity plays a certain way, but generally speaking their play leans a certain way. I go with that "stereotype" until they prove me otherwise at the table. I'm sure I'm not the only one. And there's nothing wrong with it. People of different ethnicities and races have some different phisiological traits, that's a scientific FACT.

The original poster didn't say anything along the lines of "damn blacks trying to angle shoot again". He was simply pointing out that in his experience an overwhelming number of people at his casino who angle shoot are black. So what. Put a tourniquet on your bleeding heart and quit screaming racism every time the color of skin is even mentioned.

[theted]

Being from the south I hear racist comments all the time. A lot of times if a person is referred to as "black", "asian" or "mexican" - whatever, it is 75% of the time, IMO, just a reference to the person, and not a sterotypical or degrading comment about their race. Somebody might describe me as the "short, fat, bald guy" - because, I am. Should I be able to be offended by that? YES. Can I with the double standard in place today where racism is concerned? NO. You can use these references about me and the guy next to me wouldn't think I should be offended. If I was black and they said the "fat black guy", calling me fat is ok, calling me black is wrong. Before you say I can go on a diet you are born black, that is just an example, because I am short and bald also and that is how I was born. ( For the record, I am not bothered by these comments about my physical appearance.)

I have been in games where I have said afterwards that "those 2 college punks were playing together". Am I speaking down on college students? No. Am I classifying them in a certain demographic? Yes.

Yes. I think the poster should have rethought what he said before he posted and he did cross the line but people are too sensitive to take things out of context. I see no one complaining that is was OLD black men he was referring to. Where is the AARP when you need them?

[A-Baum]

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At one time, I thought just like the OP, That is how I was raised and I didn't know any better. I probably tend to overreact in these situations.

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Steamboat this is a very interesting statement. This is a completely different discussion for another day, but usually kids start out with the idealistic mindset and look down on any kind of racism or separatism. It's usually when they get older and see more of the world and interact with more of the population that they tend to change their views. Strange yours was opposite. Interesting.

[otnemem]

I totally agree. I find it interesting that NOT ONE offended party on here mentioned that he was discriminating by age. It all comes down to race... Nobody was like, "I'm ignoring you, because I have a grandfather, and I am just so offended that you would label him, totally indiscriminately, as a cheat. I am going to ignore you, sir, because your statements about the elderly are just so out of line." No, instead your entire judgement of his character comes down to one word - black. You [censored] hypocrites.