I've never really been a whore? - Page 2

#11 09-26-2005, 03:26 PM

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Your sarcasm is weak too.

That is the whole point, that I don't have strong evidence. I was hoping the people with analytical minds at 2+2 could search or help find evidence. It is not a simple thing to prove. Unfortunately, the majority of the 2+2 community is in some sort of denial about the possibility of unethical behavior by Party Poker.

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Yeah. I find that the entire community, especially with all the data they have, just chooses to ignore the allegations made by noobs with little or no data but a few bad beat stories. This is clearly a case where they have the data showing its rigged, but choose to just lose mney instead, because thats how 2+2ers are -- they like to lose money and hate to analyze stats.

BigBiceps · #12 09-26-2005, 03:56 PM

Thanks for another sarcastic post, it is what I have come to expect. I guess being a veteran to the community means you have the right to be a jerk.

I gave no bad beat stories, I admit that I have little data.

I have won on all the poker sites I have played on. I have played Stars, UB, Paradise, Pacific(limited), Party/Empire, and FullTilt. Why would I just try to say Party/Empire are suspicious? I have no motivation, it just seems like there is some BS going on there.

Since, no one here is going to help do any analysis and basically just trust partypoker (similar to the religious folks belief in God), I will just stop playing there, and play on the other sites, until I have sufficient time and energy to do some exhaustive analysis.

I don't know if it is the internet or what, but I don't see why it is necessary to treat new posters rudely and sarcastically like is commonplace here.

#13 09-26-2005, 04:02 PM

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Thanks for another sarcastic post, it is what I have come to expect. I guess being a veteran to the community means you have the right to be a jerk.

I gave no bad beat stories, I admit that I have little data.

I have won on all the poker sites I have played on. I have played Stars, UB, Paradise, Pacific(limited), Party/Empire, and FullTilt. Why would I just try to say Party/Empire are suspicious? I have no motivation, it just seems like there is some BS going on there.

Since, no one here is going to help do any analysis and basically just trust partypoker (similar to the religious folks belief in God), I will just stop playing there, and play on the other sites, until I have sufficient time and energy to do some exhaustive analysis.

I don't know if it is the internet or what, but I don't see why it is necessary to treat new posters rudely and sarcastically like is commonplace here.

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Newbie makes allegation of cheating and derides 2+2ers as in denial for not supporting his allegation, then follows it up with "I admit that I have little data." Who is the one in denial again?

rybones · #14 09-26-2005, 04:13 PM

h E l p M y T H r Ea d h a s B eE n h I J a c K e D

AcmeSalesRep · #15 09-26-2005, 04:16 PM

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That is the whole point, that I don't have any evidence.

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FYP.

You have no evidence...because Party is not fixed. Or should millions of hands of statistical evidence (showing that things are legit) be damned?

Acme

BigBiceps · #16 09-26-2005, 04:21 PM

Having millions of hands showing the starting hands are not rigged, and that equal numbers or each card show up on every street, DOES NOT prove that things are not rigged.

Summaries of data, can always be manipulated to show that the average of everything is on par. It is complicated to show the evidence of something being rigged.

I mentioned before, as an example, how to do this by looking at how often TPTK gets beat by TPweakK on the river. This type of analysis has never been done that I am aware of.

BigBiceps · #17 09-26-2005, 04:23 PM

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 h E l p M y T H r Ea d h a s B eE n h I J a c K e D 

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You got any more questions about full tilt?

With the bonus, other incentives, and a nice site to play at - in my opinion it is worth playing there.

AcmeSalesRep · #18 09-26-2005, 04:25 PM

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I gave no bad beat stories, I admit that I have little data.

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You have no data showing anything unusual. You have not played anything close to enough hands to know if anything unusual is occuring...

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I have won on all the poker sites I have played on. I have played Stars, UB, Paradise, Pacific(limited), Party/Empire, and FullTilt.

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Even if we accept this is true, how does this mean there is anything off with Party? (Hint, it doesn't.) I mean...I destroy Stars at every limit I have ever played there except 1/2...both higher and lower limits have been easily beaten. Yet I lose at 1/2.

Something must be amiss at 1/2...it must be rigged! That or I have not played enough hands to actually be statistically significant.

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Since, no one here is going to help do any analysis and basically just trust partypoker

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It has been done. We just don't like you, so we won't let you see the results.

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I don't know if it is the internet or what, but I don't see why it is necessary to treat new posters rudely and sarcastically like is commonplace here.

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I am newer here than you are...yet nobody has treated me rudely or sarcastically. You must be special...

That or you post drivel and cannot stand it when people tell you to take it somewhere else...

Acme

AcmeSalesRep · #19 09-26-2005, 04:35 PM

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Having millions of hands showing the starting hands are not rigged, and that equal numbers or each card show up on every street, DOES NOT prove that things are not rigged.

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Who said anything about millions of hands showing the STARTING hands were not rigged? Them's your words.

My words are that there are millions of hands showing that NOTHING is rigged.

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Summaries of data, can always be manipulated to show that the average of everything is on par.

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What would any of us get out of rigging our data to show Party is not rigged? (Hint: Less than you get from accusing it of being suspicious.)

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I mentioned before, as an example, how to do this by looking at how often TPTK gets beat by TPweakK on the river. This type of analysis has never been done that I am aware of.

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It should happen 3/44 times (if you just want to consider the cases where the kicker pairs to win). The analysis is both easy and anyone can do it quickly (and has been done many times before). But it is a lot easier for you to scream that things don't "feel right" than it is for you to either do the work or accept that short-term variance can be a real bitch.

Lame.

Acme

BigBiceps · #20 09-26-2005, 04:42 PM

I have not played enough on party poker for definitive proof, but I have played enough to get a general indication of the trend of unusual events occuring.

That was exactly my point, that my motivation for this posting is not due to losses or bad beats, my motivation is based on observations.

There has been no analysis of the type that I am talking about that I am aware of. I have read the FAQs and archives and have seen the analysis of starting hands, flop/turn/river cards, but that is not the type of analyses that I am talking about.

The fact that you are newer than me is not statistically significant. We registered within 5 months of each other. In fact I made only a few posts in March/April 2004, then did not post again until August 2005. You make an oversimplification here, similar to your oversimplification of the analysis of the data. [It so happens that I surfed this website in the early/mid-ninties before internet poker was commonplace - (not that this is relevant, just illustrates that you cannot learn everything by just a few pieces of information).]