Wait till a safe flop here?

mtdoak · #1 05-30-2005, 11:50 PM

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero....

Pros and Cons: I'm pretty sure I have the best hand. However, i Cannot isolate the raiser, and raising here jams the pot and makes it impossible to protect my hand, even on a rag flop and alot of flops ruin my hand to this many cold callers.

Discuss

27offsooot · #2 05-30-2005, 11:53 PM

how are u gonna protect the flop with your relative position anyway? 3-bet for value.

Eurotrash · #3 05-30-2005, 11:53 PM

what am I missing? trizz it.

rmarotti · #4 05-30-2005, 11:55 PM

You're not ever going to be able to protect here. Raise for value.

Edit: Are you on a downswing? I wouldn't expect this line of thinking from you.

Fantell · #5 05-31-2005, 12:01 AM

30% of the time you get undercards, 12.5% of the time you get trips and have a huge edge. The pot is already going to be so big on the flop there's no way you can protect so just 3 bet for value since you'll win far more than your share of the time against so many callers.

mtdoak · #6 05-31-2005, 12:02 AM

Well, the past 2 weeks have been frustrating break even streches. However, I've had a very nice day today. For some reason I thought it would be easier to drive out overcards if the pot wasn't ginormous. After thinking it over....well, it shoulda been a 3 bet.

bigalbr · #7 05-31-2005, 03:11 AM

What's wrong with a fold here? You'll see an overcard 46% of the time, plus there's a very good chance you're drawing to 2 outs. If you don't flop a set, what flop do you like? Any undercard could be a set, any overcard beats you. Plus you should be up against at least one overpair.

Emoney · #8 05-31-2005, 03:12 AM

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What's wrong with a fold here? You'll see an overcard 46% of the time, plus there's a very good chance you're drawing to 2 outs. If you don't flop a set, what flop do you like? Any undercard could be a set, any overcard beats you. Plus you should be up against at least one overpair.

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who goes through the trouble of registering a new name just to post a dumb joke?

istewart · #9 05-31-2005, 03:14 AM

CallMeIshmael does.

x2ski · #10 05-31-2005, 03:33 AM

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What's wrong with a fold here? You'll see an overcard 46% of the time, plus there's a very good chance you're drawing to 2 outs. If you don't flop a set, what flop do you like? Any undercard could be a set, any overcard beats you. Plus you should be up against at least one overpair.

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who goes through the trouble of registering a new name just to post a dumb joke?

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bigalbr does... I played 129 hands against him today, and based upon his stats (small sample I know), he is jopking.