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#21
11-25-2004, 11:21 PM
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Re: Is it OK to fold here
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The major point of this hand is that you should never be in this situation. Raising the flop is a serious error. Call the flop and keep calling as long as the blanks keep coming. Raising gains 1 SB when you are ahead and finish ahead. It loses 1 SB when you are ahead and get outdrawn by AK. It loses 2 SB when a better hand 3-bets you. It loses 3 SB when you get called and checkraised on the turn by a better hand. If you decide to bail out you risk losing the entire pot to a bluff. Actually 3-betting QQ/JJ is not really even bluffing. It's just a play. [/ QUOTE ] Wow I didnt think of this. I like this line a lot. Thanks! 
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#25
11-26-2004, 03:16 AM
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Re: Is it OK to fold here
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seriously, what are you talking about? [/ QUOTE ] Who?
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#26
11-26-2004, 07:28 AM
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Re: Is it OK to fold here
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar till:</font><hr />
you don't know what your opponent has, that's the point. strong betting does not mean he has AA or KK, i've called down and been shown AK plently of times, JJ is also a very real possibility. the pot is huge, which means you can play looser than you normally would. [/ QUOTE ] But if you're ahead of AK, which is quite likely if you're ahead, he will outdraw you almost 25% of the times. So even when you're ahead you're equity is not giant. I wanna fold.
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#27
11-26-2004, 07:49 AM
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Re: Is it OK to fold here
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[ QUOTE ] you don't know what your opponent has, that's the point. strong betting does not mean he has AA or KK, i've called down and been shown AK plently of times, JJ is also a very real possibility. the pot is huge, which means you can play looser than you normally would. [/ QUOTE ] But if you're ahead of AK, which is quite likely if you're ahead, he will outdraw you almost 25% of the times. So even when you're ahead you're equity is not giant. I wanna fold. [/ QUOTE ] If he had Ak you DEFINATELY wouldn't fold in this position. Your equity is very large if he hasn't made his hand and you're counting on his 6 outs to hit on the turn or the river..if you KNEW he had AK every bet you put in on the flop is +EV for you.
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#28
11-26-2004, 08:14 AM
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Re: Is it OK to fold here
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It loses 1 SB when you are ahead and get outdrawn by AK. [/ QUOTE ] Hey stellar, this isn't exactly true because at the time of raising, it gains you 1 SB when against AK. it is only after you get outdrawn that you actually lose. also i agree with you that the call down line is a very good line against most reasonable players who cap preflop and 3-bet this flop because you are up against either AA, KK, or JJ here (QQ won't doesn't matter.). I'm not the math whiz, but 2 out of 3 equally likely holdings beat you, not to mention the fact that given his stregnth AA and KK become more likely anyways.
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#29
11-26-2004, 08:56 AM
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Re: Is it OK to fold here
Ofcourse there is no way I would have folded if I KNEW his hand was AK. My point was if I'm ahead at this spot, which is very unlikely, he is quite likely to have strong redraws. I only win 75% of the times I'm ahead to AK and are drawing very slim when I'm behind to AA or KK which I am most of the time.
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#30
11-26-2004, 09:03 AM
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Re: Is it OK to fold here
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar till:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar till:</font><hr /> It loses 1 SB when you are ahead and get outdrawn by AK. [/ QUOTE ] Hey stellar, this isn't exactly true because at the time of raising, it gains you 1 SB when against AK. it is only after you get outdrawn that you actually lose. [/ QUOTE ] Isn't that exactly what he said?
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