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12-09-2005, 03:32 PM
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Re: A question for Christians AND atheists
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If God is so opposed to unbelief, why did He create man with intelligence and then leave him without any physical evidence or logical proof for belief? [/ QUOTE ] He didn't. [ QUOTE ] It would be an easy matter for God to allow everyone to believe [/ QUOTE ] God is not the cause of your unbelief. [ QUOTE ] not a good way to get an intelligent creature to believe. [/ QUOTE ] Intelligence isn't the issue. 
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12-09-2005, 04:28 PM
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Re: A question for Christians AND atheists
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[ QUOTE ] It would be an easy matter for God to allow everyone to believe [/ QUOTE ] God is not the cause of your unbelief. [/ QUOTE ] God is THE Ultimate Cause. All causes are under God's cause. As a Calvinist, you should know this.
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12-10-2005, 05:04 AM
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Re: A question for Christians AND atheists
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God is THE Ultimate Cause. All causes are under God's cause. As a Calvinist, you should know this. [/ QUOTE ] As a former Calvinist you should know the answer to this. That God is the sine qua non because without His creation there would be no creatures to sin does not relieve the creature of responsibility. God is not the proximate cause of your unbelief, nor is He responsible for it.
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12-10-2005, 09:37 AM
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Re: A question for Christians AND atheists
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It would be an easy matter for God to allow everyone to believe [/ QUOTE ] God is not the cause of your unbelief. [/ QUOTE ] God is THE Ultimate Cause. All causes are under God's cause. As a Calvinist, you should know this. [/ QUOTE ] As a former Calvinist you should know the answer to this. That God is the sine qua non because without His creation there would be no creatures to sin does not relieve the creature of responsibility. God is not the proximate cause of your unbelief, nor is He responsible for it. [/ QUOTE ] I didn't say he was the proximate cause (we have free will), or tha He is responsible (he made us responsible by giving us free will). However, he is still the Ultimate cause. The Prime Causer. The fact is, Calvinist doctrine states that nobody can choose to believe except that God chooses to supply his irresestible Grace to them. So, summary: God created man, gave him free will, man sinned & can no longer love/believe in God, until God chooses to save man. So, is God the "cause" of someone's unbelief... Primarily, yes, secondarily, no, finally, yes.
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12-10-2005, 06:51 PM
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Re: A question for Christians AND atheists
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The fact is, Calvinist doctrine states that nobody can choose to believe except that God chooses to supply his irresestible Grace to them. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not completely decided about Calvinism on this point. I tend to be somewhat between them and Arminians. Mostly I don't really know what the full answer is though along with both I agree that man is responsible for his unbelief. [ QUOTE ] Primarily, yes, secondarily, no, finally, yes. [/ QUOTE ] Finally as in ultimate but not as in morally or legally responsible.
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