Worst Fold Ever?

Michael Davis · #1 08-27-2005, 06:07 AM

20-40 live. Great game. I limp on the button after four limpers with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Blinds come along so there 7 SB in the pot.

Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Checked to a random psycho guy who nonetheless must have some of this flop to bet who bets, one folder, I raise, the BB instacalls. BB is not a good player, but he's not an idiot, he can't have total trash here like a lone 4 or 5 or pocket eights, he's got an ace, two pair, a straight, or a diamond draw. Psycho guy calls and we go the turn threeways for 6.5 BB.

Turn: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Psycho guy donkbets, I raise again, BB threebets, psycho guy agonizes for ten minutes and folds. There is simply no doubt he mucked an ace. I call. 13.5 BB pot

River: J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB bets, I fold.

-Michael

jgorham · #2 08-27-2005, 06:17 AM

I don't really understand why you would call the turn here but fold the river. I can see reasons to fold the turn or calldown, depending on the player, but the J seems about as blanky as you could hope for.

Michael Davis · #3 08-27-2005, 06:18 AM

"I don't really understand why you would call the turn here but fold the river. I can see reasons to fold the turn or calldown, depending on the player, but the J seems about as blanky as you could hope for."

Because I have five outs against a straight.

-Michael

jgorham · #4 08-27-2005, 06:23 AM

Then I would say it is a good fold if BB is passive bad. But if he is at all aggressive (or with no read) I think I call here. Just seems like A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or even AK gets shown down one time in 15.

sthief09 · #5 08-27-2005, 09:23 AM

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"I don't really understand why you would call the turn here but fold the river. I can see reasons to fold the turn or calldown, depending on the player, but the J seems about as blanky as you could hope for."

Because I have five outs against a straight.

-Michael

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you have 3 pair. 6 outs

Michael Davis · #6 08-27-2005, 09:30 AM

"you have 3 pair. 6 outs"

No, because the psycho so genuinely took forever to fold, I really think I have only five here.

-Michael

sthief09 · #7 08-27-2005, 10:02 AM

read "no doubt" as "no chance" he folded an A. this also changes my thinking on the river, since there's only 1 A left

gaming_mouse · #8 08-27-2005, 11:22 AM

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"I don't really understand why you would call the turn here but fold the river. I can see reasons to fold the turn or calldown, depending on the player, but the J seems about as blanky as you could hope for."

Because I have five outs against a straight.

-Michael

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But does he insta-call PF with 54s? 33 makes the most sense, but there is of course only 1 combination of that. Next most sense is an A, though I don't see him 3-betting there with just an A. His behavior may be strange enough to merit a calldown. If his PF call with 54s is standard, I don't mind your line, but still think a river call probably better.

Justin A · #9 08-27-2005, 12:31 PM

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"I don't really understand why you would call the turn here but fold the river. I can see reasons to fold the turn or calldown, depending on the player, but the J seems about as blanky as you could hope for."

Because I have five outs against a straight.

-Michael

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But does he insta-call PF with 54s? 33 makes the most sense, but there is of course only 1 combination of that. Next most sense is an A, though I don't see him 3-betting there with just an A. His behavior may be strange enough to merit a calldown. If his PF call with 54s is standard, I don't mind your line, but still think a river call probably better.

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He's up against the BB.

gaming_mouse · #10 08-27-2005, 02:22 PM

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He's up against the BB.

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I know, but he's being offered only 5:1 OOP. That is not necessarily an insta-call, though for some people it is. So I was saying it depends on wheather or not it is an insta call for the BB.