200 NL

[4_2_it]

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If he had QJ, JJ, QQ, I suppose it was a good play but dangerous...

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Why is it dangerous? That's the only way QQ or JJ wins the pot. Against some villains I probably fire a second barrel on the turn as well.

[guaranteedBluff]

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If he had QJ, JJ, QQ, I suppose it was a good play but dangerous...

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Why is it dangerous? That's the only way QQ or JJ wins the pot. Against some villains I probably fire a second barrel on the turn as well.

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I think that a lot of heros at the 200NL level that would not lay down AK here regardless of turn bet size - people love there TPTK. This guy only had about 50 hands or so with me, so I don't think he was solid enough to make the read that I would do so.

Also, he would be scared of AA or KK given that I hadn't raised too many hands PF in those 50.

[beavens]

ew, looks like he flopped a set.

[4_2_it]

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If he had QJ, JJ, QQ, I suppose it was a good play but dangerous...

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Why is it dangerous? That's the only way QQ or JJ wins the pot. Against some villains I probably fire a second barrel on the turn as well.

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I think that a lot of heros at the 200NL level that would not lay down AK here regardless of turn bet size - people love there TPTK. This guy only had about 50 hands or so with me, so I don't think he was solid enough to make the read that I would do so.

Also, he would be scared of AA or KK given that I hadn't raised too many hands PF in those 50.

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Hero should have raised or folded the flop. If villain has QQ or JJ he will fold. As played hero told villain that he didn't have AA, KK, TT or (can't remember 3rd card) so villain continued to push. Maybe villain has a real hand(probably 75% of the time). hero showed no aggression so villain ran him over. Sometimes you have to make that raise in a situation when you get a good AK flop. There are plenty of maniacs at $200 who will push with less than a K here........

[ahnuld]

without reading the rest of the thread, I like OP's line alot and that is what I would do. Unless you note him to be very donkish, it seems like an easy fold on turn and you thank god villan didnt bet 60 on turn and 100 on river to show you KT or a flopped set.

[-Skeme-]

Make up your mind on the flop. 15/5 doesn't really limp-call OOP with KQo.. that's a PP set mining 99% of the time, but then again, 50 hands isn't much.

[guaranteedBluff]

Are you suggesting to raise the flop to say, ~90? That basically commits my stack and always pays off the set. Anyone just fold the flop straight up?

[swolfe]

you played it fine. you may have folded a chop, but it's more likely you're beat.

sometimes you can drop it on the flop against these guys, but a lot of times i like your call and see what he does on the turn.

[scdavis0]

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Make up your mind on the flop. 15/5 doesn't really limp-call OOP with KQo.. that's a PP set mining 99% of the time, but then again, 50 hands isn't much.

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I don't agree that you must make up your mind on the flop. The action will go, turn check/check - river check/call way too often to just give up here.

[teamdonkey]

raising the flop does an outstanding job of folding out worse hands, and pot commiting you against better hands. Without a better read on villain i think this line is ok.