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Old 11-17-2005, 06:48 PM
guaranteedBluff guaranteedBluff is offline
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Default One of my first few hands in 200NL

Just made the jump up to 200 NL and this was one of my first few hands. Not sure what the reraise from villain meant. What do you think?

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Button ($139.15)
Hero ($196)
BB ($236)
UTG ($200)
MP ($158.85)
CO ($179.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $2, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($6) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $50</font>, Button folds, Hero calls $179 (All-In), BB calls $144.

Turn: ($398) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($398) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $398
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Old 11-17-2005, 06:54 PM
iceman5 iceman5 is offline
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Default Re: One of my first few hands in 200NL

Bet the flop.

If you bet that flop from the blind, you will take it down uncontested 75% of the time and those pots add up.

In this case, he obviously has a hand and you wouldnt have won it right there, but I still think it makes the hand easier to play.
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Old 11-17-2005, 06:55 PM
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Default Re: One of my first few hands in 200NL

Why do I want to win the hand right there if I have such a strong drawing hand?
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Old 11-17-2005, 07:08 PM
rikz rikz is offline
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Default Re: One of my first few hands in 200NL

Once he pops your check raise to $50, I think he's announcing that he's not going anywhere. You don't really have pot odds or implied odds to just call since if your flush hits on the turn, then villain might fold out to any decent bet, and if a flush misses, then villain could very well push the turn.

So, it's push or fold, I think. Pushing is good if you have reason to suspect you have a decent amount of fold equity. My experience is that semi-bluffing a second time as a 4-bet all-in, especially after your check raise didn't scare villain at all, is not going to have much fold equity. So, giving villain credit for at least an overpair, you are a slight dog for all your money.

Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 4s 9c 8c
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qc Tc 486 49.09 504 50.91 0 0.00 0.491
Js Jd 504 50.91 486 49.09 0 0.00 0.509

Against a set, you're worse,
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 4s 9c 8c
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qc Tc 344 34.75 646 65.25 0 0.00 0.347
9s 9d 646 65.25 344 34.75 0 0.00 0.653

Against 2-pair you're behind too
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qc Tc 452 45.66 538 54.34 0 0.00 0.457
9s 8d 538 54.34 452 45.66 0 0.00 0.543

Given all these likely hands, wouldn't folding be better than pushing when villain bumps your check raise up to $50?
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