POLL: playing out of racks VS not playing out of racks in LHE

[detroitplayer]

[ QUOTE ]
Racks are fine as long as the player maintans a working stack to keep the action going.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think this is the point the people here are completely missing, and which I went at lengths to make it a point of in my post. AS LONG AS people have a stack of chips ( enough chips in front of them, on the felt, to complete a hand) there is no possible way it would slow the game down.

People taking chips out of a rack, one by one, every time action gets to them, yes, that would slow the game down, not to mention be absolutely retarded.

Again, I must reiterate, I am only talking about using the racks for your "reserves"... the chips you have that will not be needed for more than one hand. I can almost guarantee you that any person who drags a 50+ chip pot can clear the area in front of him FASTER by putting those chips into a rack rather than stacking them on the felt.

Once he racks his win (which should really take about 10 seconds), he again takes a small stack out, places it on the felt, and continues on with his bets in hand.

How about this as an ammendment to the "rack rule".

Racks can only be used as long as a player maintains a minimum of 20 chips "ready for play" directly in front of him, on the felt, at all times.

There is no possible scenario I can imagine under which if everyone at the table abided by that rule that it would slow the game down. We're almost getting down to physics here.

[Randy_Refeld]

[ QUOTE ]
Racks can only be used as long as a player maintains a minimum of 20 chips "ready for play" directly in front of him, on the felt, at all times.


[/ QUOTE ]

The problem with this is they very people you don't want to have racks on the table won't understand this and will feel slighted that they can't have racks when other players have racks.

[detroitplayer]

Well, if the guy was playing directly out of the rack instead of having chips in hand ready for action, the dealer would just say "sir, you must take 20 chips out of your rack and have them ready for action at all times"

It may take some getting used to for some people, but then again, it takes some getting used to for basically every house rule.

[Photoc]

Why should a dealer have to be responsible for how someone keeps their chips in front of them? Dont they have enough to keep track of already? Either put them in the rack or take the F'in things out. It slows down the game with a rack and invites string raises all day long.

[detroitplayer]

The same reason why a dealer has to "keep track" of string raises.

Because it's a rule, genius.

I am not sure why this is so hard to follow. Some (or most) casinos outlaw racks on tables. If those casinos were to allow racks on tables as long as a player kept a stack of chips out of the rack, ready for action, it would speed up the game.

Just keep thinking about it until it makes sense.

[steamboatin]

It makes perfect sense but the fish won't remember to keep a stack on front of their rack, so the dealer will have to keep reminding them and that will slow the game down even more.

[AAquadsAA]

[ QUOTE ]
"sir, you must take 20 chips out of your rack and have them ready for action at all times"

It may take some getting used to for some people, but then again, it takes some getting used to for basically every house rule.

[/ QUOTE ]
thats the whole problem. the dealer having to tell the noob to pull checks out or not play from the rack. slows the game down tremendously. the only thing people should get used to is playing off the felt.if they dont know how to stack chips, the obviously arent winning.

[tylerdurden]

[ QUOTE ]
If those casinos were to allow racks on tables as long as a player kept a stack of chips out of the rack, ready for action, it would speed up the game.

Just keep thinking about it until it makes sense.

[/ QUOTE ]

I've been thinking about it, and it still doesn't make sense. I can think of 100 ways that having racks on the table slows things down, and I can't think of once single way it speeds play up at all, even if you keep a working stack out of the rack.

The ONLY situation I can see that would go faster by having chips in racks on the table is when a player is ready to leave.

[Terry]

[ QUOTE ]
I can almost guarantee you that any person who drags a 50+ chip pot can clear the area in front of him FASTER by putting those chips into a rack rather than stacking them on the felt.


[/ QUOTE ]

Don’t bet on that. If players are going to be required to “learn” to handle chips, they should be required to learn to do it the right way, without a rack. It is faster and you are wrong. You are disagreeing here with people who have many years of experience – I myself spent 22 years in Vegas as both a player and as a dealer. I dealt Craps for many of those years and Roulette for a couple. If racking chips was faster than stacking them, you had better believe that is the way it would be done by the dealers.

Don’t take our word for it. Dump a couple of racks out on the table and time yourself both racking them and stacking them.

And you still haven’t addressed the facts that chip racks are perfect hiding places for cards and cash.

[The Goober]

[ QUOTE ]
I can almost guarantee you that any person who drags a 50+ chip pot can clear the area in front of him FASTER by putting those chips into a rack rather than stacking them on the felt.

[/ QUOTE ]

Not to belabor the point, but I can assure you that I can stack up a big pot much faster if I don't have racks on the table - and I play a lot of 4-8, where I've scooped pots that were nearly 200 chips. A big part of this is that I can temporarily pull the chips into a big pile, and then a bunch of irregular stacks, to get them off the playing area so the game can go on while I stack them.

As a side point, I also *hate* having anything on the felt except chips. The table is usually crowded enough without having extra junk on there. I was playing 4-8 at the bellagio one time and had my drink on a napkin on the table (the way it was served to me). When I finished the drink a little while later, there was a card underneath it. No one knew how long it had been there and everyone felt really uneasy about the situation (it was something insignificant like the 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], and I certainly hadn't been cheating, but still...). Why can't more poker rooms just invest in some damned sidetables instead of making us put drinks on the felt?