A party Rep contacted me recently to find out why...

[Tuco]

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?? What's the catch?

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No catch. I just got back from the affiliate conference in Vegas and discovered that pretty much every site except stars offers rakeback. You just have to know where to find it.

Tuco.

um, sites don't offer rakeback, affiliates do. Am I wrong?

[Tuco]

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um, sites don't offer rakeback, affiliates do. Am I wrong?

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Sites condone it by giving a breakdown of individual statistics to certain affiliates so they can then offer rakeback.

Tuco.

Do they really condone it, sort of condone it or what? I personally would be afraid to tell them that I don't play there because I get rakeback elsewhere as it is against their T&C

[Benholio]

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Rakeback is like stealing your milk off other peoples doorsteps, it's against the terms and conditions of the milkman, but who cares, as long as no one finds out. Right?

Mack

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Worst analogy ever. You aren't stealing from your neighbor when you get rakeback. A better analogy would be like the milkman selling the people on your block their milk for $2/jug when the milk farmer's terms state that resellers shouldn't charge less than $3. Sure, your milkman is only making $0.25/jug profit, but his sales are great since he is cheating the system, and his prices are low enough to steal customers away from milkmen who play by the rules. You think the people buying the milk are stealing something?

Given all of that, do you want to pay $2/jug or $3/jug for your milk? You'd be crazy to pay $3 unless you are boning the milkman (or milkwoman).

[_And1_]

I think that Multipoker's recent 1500$ reload (x20 raked hands, ie 30000) is a better deal than the 1750 and 45k... But its a bonus type of deal that we will see more of, big bonuses for the high volume players...

[otctrader]

Since Party is mired in affiliate contracts there's no way they can stand to offer 25% rakeback on top of an affiliate payout, so it's senseless to bark about arrangements at Empire et al since Party will just put heat on those skins.

The better answer for Party is to open yet another skin, or the one they already own (Pokernow) which severed affiliate relationships, and use it for the express purpose of delivering high volume rewards. If they call me, that's what I'll convey to them.

Anyone know what shows up on caller ID when these guys call you?

[mackthefork]

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Rakeback is like stealing your milk off other peoples doorsteps, it's against the terms and conditions of the milkman, but who cares, as long as no one finds out. Right?

Mack

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Rewarding high volume play is the most natural thing in the casino world. If Party thinks a sweatshirt with their company logo on is enough to encourage spending thousands of dollar in rake each month they are sadly mistaken.

The only ones suffering from Partys pointless war against rakeback is Party itself. And escalating that war won't increase the goodwill from high volume players.

Frankly, what kind of agreement me and the affiliate has is none of Partys business.

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Look I agree with you when you say it makes commercial sense for a company to offer incentives for high volume customers. My point is that it is against the terms and conditions of the company, and they do think that the agreements between you are your affiliate are their business. I don't have an account at Empire or Eurobet at the moment but I will probably be setting them both up shortly, so you can expect less pious analogies for this direction in the future. lol

PS Do you think the games have deteriorated markedly over the last 12 months? It sure feels like it.

Regards Mack

[mackthefork]

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Given all of that, do you want to pay $2/jug or $3/jug for your milk? You'd be crazy to pay $3 unless you are boning the milkman (or milkwoman).

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Okay thats funny [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img], I admit I'm outpointed here.

Mack

[villafan]

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If Party wants to get all these high volume players away from the skins and back into the fold, all they have to do is offer us a better rake back deal. Its not rocket science.

Stu

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And in order to do that, they have to find a way to cut the ties to the affiliates that have signed up these players some time ago.

Party can't pay the 25-30% fee to the affiliates and a rakeback on top of that.

Party paid 45 million dollar i affiliate fees in the first six months in 2005. I would think the company want to use those funds to the players rather than the affiliates.