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Old 04-24-2005, 05:07 AM
MrOnizuka MrOnizuka is offline
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Default Confusing 2/4 hand

This was my last hand tonight and I was weirded out.
UB 2/4 6 max

Black kings on the button. CO, who just sat down a while ago, raises, I 3-bet. BB is a total calling station, and calls. CO caps, call call.

Flop is :
6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks, CO bets, I raise, BB calls, CO 3-bets.
I call, BB comes along as well.

Turn is an ugly 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I figure im calling down at the most here. Is this wrong?
Then they all check to me. hmm. Bet or no bet?
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Old 04-24-2005, 05:53 AM
Dariel86 Dariel86 is offline
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Default Re: Confusing 2/4 hand

I would probably check
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Old 04-24-2005, 06:22 AM
tyler_cracker tyler_cracker is offline
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Default Re: Confusing 2/4 hand

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This was my last hand tonight and I was weirded out.
UB 2/4 6 max

Black kings on the button. CO, who just sat down a while ago, raises, I 3-bet. BB is a total calling station, and calls. CO caps, call call.

Flop is :
6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks, CO bets, I raise, BB calls, CO 3-bets.
I call, BB comes along as well.

Turn is an ugly 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I figure im calling down at the most here. Is this wrong?
Then they all check to me. hmm. Bet or no bet?

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I would bet and probably fold to a check raise here. If no one raises, you probably aren't worried about the flush being out there.

CO raised (twice!) preflop, so he most likely has a big pair rather than a 6 or a straight draw. He may even have overcards that he's overplaying. If there's a chance you could get CO to fold with a bet (since it looks like he's afraid of the flush, too), that's another reason to bet out.

The BB is a calling station, so he's not going anywhere no matter what you do. If you were heads up against him, you might do well to check behind. He could have a 6, a straight draw, a small flush, pocket 5s, an overpair smaller than your kings, or garbage.

Finally, giving A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] a free card here would be unpleasant.

Overall: i think you have to bet out and see where you're at.
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Old 04-24-2005, 06:26 AM
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Default Re: Confusing 2/4 hand

I think that the checkraise fold is excellent advice
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Old 04-24-2005, 06:29 AM
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Default Re: Confusing 2/4 hand

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i think you have to bet out and see where you're at.

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freecards=bad

fold to a check/raise
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Old 04-24-2005, 06:33 AM
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Default Re: Confusing 2/4 hand

As many posters have said, the answer is to bet and fold to a check/raise. On the turn you should tend to check a hand with outs and bet a hand without. You don't have (m)any outs, so you should bet. If they checked to you the board may be as scary to them as it is to you. You can definitely fold to a check/raise, but you don't want lone hearts/aces taking a free card.
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Old 04-24-2005, 07:43 AM
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Default Re: Confusing 2/4 hand

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[ QUOTE ]
This was my last hand tonight and I was weirded out.
UB 2/4 6 max

Black kings on the button. CO, who just sat down a while ago, raises, I 3-bet. BB is a total calling station, and calls. CO caps, call call.

Flop is :
6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks, CO bets, I raise, BB calls, CO 3-bets.
I call, BB comes along as well.

Turn is an ugly 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I figure im calling down at the most here. Is this wrong?
Then they all check to me. hmm. Bet or no bet?

[/ QUOTE ]

I would bet and probably fold to a check raise here. If no one raises, you probably aren't worried about the flush being out there.

CO raised (twice!) preflop, so he most likely has a big pair rather than a 6 or a straight draw. He may even have overcards that he's overplaying. If there's a chance you could get CO to fold with a bet (since it looks like he's afraid of the flush, too), that's another reason to bet out.

The BB is a calling station, so he's not going anywhere no matter what you do. If you were heads up against him, you might do well to check behind. He could have a 6, a straight draw, a small flush, pocket 5s, an overpair smaller than your kings, or garbage.

Finally, giving A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] a free card here would be unpleasant.

Overall: i think you have to bet out and see where you're at.

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The A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] isn't going to fold to a bet. I'm more worried about giving a 2-9 of hearts a free shot with no chance to fold.
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Old 04-24-2005, 10:56 AM
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Default Re: Confusing 2/4 hand

Can you fold if the BB check raises?

I agree with other posters that CO probably has an overpair to the board. I just am not sure what the BB is calling along with. I would normally bet here. I also would agree with your prior sentiment that you are calling down if it is one bet to you on both streets. If a non heart hit I may have raised the turn.
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Old 04-24-2005, 11:09 AM
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Default Re: Confusing 2/4 hand

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If a non heart hit I may have raised the turn.

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hopefully...
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Old 04-24-2005, 11:13 AM
HajiShirazu HajiShirazu is offline
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Default Re: Confusing 2/4 hand

You need to bet here, and you should call down a checkraise from CO but not BB. The bad thing about a C/R here is that you have 4 outs against a flush, which would seem to be what BB would have if you got checkraised.
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