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Old 03-26-2005, 09:55 AM
aron aron is offline
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Default There should be a line for this, right?

This feels like a common enough situation. What is the best way to deal with it?

Please enlighten me
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Kd Kc (two pair, kings and twos).
MP1 has Qh Ac (two pair, aces and twos).
Outcome: MP1 wins 7.75 BB. </font>
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Old 03-26-2005, 10:34 AM
J.DP J.DP is offline
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Default Re: There should be a line for this, right?

I would check/call the river. There are several worse hands MP1 could call with but the tendency of loose players to play any Ace makes it unlikely you'll be good more than 50% of the time when called.
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Old 03-26-2005, 10:44 AM
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Default Re: There should be a line for this, right?

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I would check/call the river.

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Old 03-26-2005, 11:06 AM
DoctorDrew DoctorDrew is offline
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Default Re: There should be a line for this, right?

I would have played it the same. If he's an acehole, so be it. He's been afraid to raise with top pair before, I doubt he's gonna raise when the board pairs.

No, if I'm going to call a bet here, I'm going to throw it in first.
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Old 03-26-2005, 11:08 AM
HajiShirazu HajiShirazu is offline
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Default Re: There should be a line for this, right?

That's a pretty standard line IMO and how I always play these, folding to a raise.
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Old 03-26-2005, 11:12 AM
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Default Re: There should be a line for this, right?

Just be thankfull that he played it so bad.
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Old 03-26-2005, 11:39 AM
cardcounter0 cardcounter0 is offline
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Default Re: There should be a line for this, right?

This is the standard passive fish calling station. He really wanted to check/call you all the way to the river, but he was out of position.

The hand should have looked like this:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, K.
1 fold, UTG calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, 5 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 4, A, 2 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) J (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 2 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB
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Old 03-26-2005, 11:43 AM
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Default Re: There should be a line for this, right?

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Just be thankfull that he played it so bad.

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looks like he extracted the max from our hero to me.
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Old 03-26-2005, 12:29 PM
waynethetrain waynethetrain is offline
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Default Re: There should be a line for this, right?

IMO, this is one of those hands where neither player really knew what to do.

You know that many of these low limit players play "Ax" so you're not too confident in your KKs, but you have to at least test the waters on the flop and turn.

You raised pre-flop and came out betting right into the A. So he has to think there's a pretty good chance you have AK. So he doesn't want to raise.

Maybe I would have check-called the river, but personally, I don't think there is a right way to play this hand.
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Old 03-26-2005, 12:44 PM
Aaron W. Aaron W. is offline
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Default Re: There should be a line for this, right?

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This feels like a common enough situation. What is the best way to deal with it?

Please enlighten me

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Get a read on the player. Find out what he is willing to call down with. Find out what he is willing to value bet the river with. Lacking a read, this will *ALWAYS* be awkward (and even then, it will still be hard).
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