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11-21-2005, 08:58 AM
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Re: (22) Is this too weak tight/
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11-21-2005, 09:58 AM
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Re: (22) Is this too weak tight/
If I'm multitabling, I'll usually push this, since I don't like to have to think about many tough decisions.
If I'm just playing 1 or 2 tables, I'd probably call and actually play post-flop. If it were a higher buy in, I'd consider folding, but probably wouldn't. I don't think that raising less than all-in is a good option with your chip stack... Any reasonable raise would really commit you to the pot. So, push if you don't like to have to think post flop or call if you think you can outplay him.
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#15
11-21-2005, 04:05 PM
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Re: (22) Is this too weak tight/
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If I'm just playing 1 or 2 tables, I'd probably call and actually play post-flop. [/ QUOTE ] The problem is that you are just delaying the decision whether to push now or on the flop. This is essentially a hand with two possible betting rounds: pre-flop and the flop. You either push the flop, call a push, or fold. There's no real playing post-flop to be had in this hand because of the size of the pot and the size of your stack. Edit: this is assuming you raise the flop, which I think you need to do. And on a sidenote I would like to reiterate that people should not be folding this at the 20s.
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#16
11-21-2005, 04:28 PM
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Re: (22) Is this too weak tight/
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but there's a good chance that pushing will move him off of a medium pocket pair. [/ QUOTE ] I just wanted to comment on this. I play at the $33s and I get called a lot here with any pocket pair (or use to, I've slowed down with my AK recently.) Seems to me, it is hard to knock someone off low-mid pairs after they have committed chips. Is this just me, or do others get this feeling? As for the actually hand, I'd just call and hope to hit the flop. Give up on the hand otherwise. Maybe I'm to weak as well, but I don't like a re-raise less than a push here and I also don't like a coinflip. At the 22s, I don't think you are getting anything TT+ and above to lay down there hand. If the guy had been in a lot of hands so far, I would consider the push and hope to see AQ.
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#17
11-21-2005, 04:37 PM
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Re: (22) Is this too weak tight/
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[ QUOTE ] but there's a good chance that pushing will move him off of a medium pocket pair. [/ QUOTE ] I just wanted to comment on this. I play at the $33s and I get called a lot here with any pocket pair (or use to, I've slowed down with my AK recently.) Seems to me, it is hard to knock someone off low-mid pairs after they have committed chips. Is this just me, or do others get this feeling? As for the actually hand, I'd just call and hope to hit the flop. Give up on the hand otherwise. Maybe I'm to weak as well, but I don't like a re-raise less than a push here and I also don't like a coinflip. At the 22s, I don't think you are getting anything TT+ and above to lay down there hand. If the guy had been in a lot of hands so far, I would consider the push and hope to see AQ. [/ QUOTE ] If you care about hourly rate I wouldn't worry too much if you get called with mid pocket pairs at lvl 2.
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#18
11-21-2005, 08:47 PM
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Re: (22) Is this too weak tight/
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] but there's a good chance that pushing will move him off of a medium pocket pair. [/ QUOTE ] I just wanted to comment on this. I play at the $33s and I get called a lot here with any pocket pair (or use to, I've slowed down with my AK recently.) Seems to me, it is hard to knock someone off low-mid pairs after they have committed chips. Is this just me, or do others get this feeling? As for the actually hand, I'd just call and hope to hit the flop. Give up on the hand otherwise. Maybe I'm to weak as well, but I don't like a re-raise less than a push here and I also don't like a coinflip. At the 22s, I don't think you are getting anything TT+ and above to lay down there hand. If the guy had been in a lot of hands so far, I would consider the push and hope to see AQ. [/ QUOTE ] If you care about hourly rate I wouldn't worry too much if you get called with mid pocket pairs at lvl 2. [/ QUOTE ] If I push here I dont think I will get called by that many hands I am ahead of. I think there is a very good chance of being called by mid pocket pair and I dont see calling with worse than AJ, probibly AQ (keep in mind this is the first hand he has played and is UTG). Do you really think the 100 I will win if he folds compensated for the times I take the wrong end of a coinflip, not to mention the times he has aces or kings?
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#19
11-21-2005, 09:12 PM
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Re: (22) Is this too weak tight/
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This is a very bad fold. A push is good at the 22s...you want to see all five cards with AK and you will likely be called by some donk-tastic hands. [/ QUOTE ] What he said. It's really that simple at the 22s. Anything else is overthinking it.
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#20
11-21-2005, 09:40 PM
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Re: (22) Is this too weak tight/
Does the fact that he will have position give any weight to just calling? I rarely see someone push the flop this early at the 11's. Is it much different at the 22's? What are the odds that he'll get to see a free turn card?
I'm not making an argument to call. In fact, I have no business weighing in with any opinion. I'm just trying to clarify the case that is being made for pushing.
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