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Old 05-22-2005, 04:09 PM
captZEEbo1 captZEEbo1 is offline
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Default taking your coinflips......1000 nl

10 handed $5/10 nl (1000 max buyin)

Hero has T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and is in MP3
4 folds, MP2 raises $10 to $40, <font color="red">Hero calls</font>, 3 folds, SB raises from $40 to $520 and is all-in, 1 fold, MP2 folds, <font color="red">Hero....
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Old 05-22-2005, 04:32 PM
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Default Re: taking your coinflips......1000 nl

Without reads or seeing that he is on tilt/donk of some sort, this is a ridiculously easy fold. If this is a difficult fold for you to make I think you should reconsider playing 5/10. This is not a tournament, you shouldn't have to "coinflip" with people to win money. Even if you are dead accurate and he does in fact have overcards, I still wouldn't call. Sure you are ahead, but who cares, why take 50/50 on half a buyin when you could take much better odds on more money.
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Old 05-22-2005, 04:43 PM
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Default Re: taking your coinflips......1000 nl

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Without reads or seeing that he is on tilt/donk of some sort, this is a ridiculously easy fold. If this is a difficult fold for you to make I think you should reconsider playing 5/10. This is not a tournament, you shouldn't have to "coinflip" with people to win money. Even if you are dead accurate and he does in fact have overcards, I still wouldn't call. Sure you are ahead, but who cares, why take 50/50 on half a buyin when you could take much better odds on more money.

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If you were quite literally 100% sure he had overcards, and it was a capped buy-in table and you are adequately bankrolled it might be better to call. That way you're taking a 0EV move with the potential to have your stack exceed the capped buy-in.

It could be advantageous, but one can never be sure that he has overcards without an overpair, so I would fold.
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Old 05-22-2005, 04:52 PM
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Default Re: taking your coinflips......1000 nl

I agree about the capped buyin idea. I mostly play in games with no cap. But I much prefer to separate fish from their money through other means than "coinflips" preflop.
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Old 05-22-2005, 04:53 PM
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Default Re: taking your coinflips......1000 nl

This is certainly a very easy fold, but I disagree about it being a fold in a cash game if you are 100% sure he had overcards. Let's say you're sitting next to him and he tipped his cards up where you could see them or something, (obviously this would be un-ethical to look, but this is all in theory anyway) and so you KNOW he has overcards. If you're at a limit you're comfortable with, where losing one hand won't be a big deal, then it's an easy call against his overcards. You're better than 50/50 against something like ak or aq, and with $610 in the pot (the original raisers $40 + your $40 + the $10bb + the all-in $520) it's costing you $480 to call.
There are, however, a few times I would fold in this situation against overcards in a cash game. If you're in a game where there is a max buy-in and you have a lot more chips than the buy-in. It's a big advantage having a lot of chips in this case, as you can bust the other bigger stacks. Why squander it as a slight favorite? The other time I would do it is in a game with no max buy-in, where you bought in for an amount you were comfortable with losing, but you've amassed a huge stack of chips, and the guy moving all-in has a similar huge stack. You may be comfortable with the $500 you bought in for, but due to a great run you now have $7000. Unless the $7000 won't be a hit to your bankroll, I'm folding there also.
Of course these examples are when you are 100% sure he has overcards.
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Old 05-22-2005, 05:05 PM
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Default Re: taking your coinflips......1000 nl

It's ridiculous to fold if your were "dead accurate" he had overcards. Run TT against all his overcard holdings. His edge is much larger than the house's edge in craps or blackjack or baccarat or the big freakin wheel.
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Old 05-22-2005, 05:15 PM
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There are easier ways to make a lot of money in NL than taking 55/45 edges.
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Old 05-22-2005, 05:41 PM
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There are easier ways to make a lot of money in NL than taking 55/45 edges.

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It's easier to make even more money in NL by taking 55/45 edges.
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Old 05-22-2005, 05:49 PM
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Even if you are dead accurate and he does in fact have overcards, I still wouldn't call. Sure you are ahead, but who cares, why take 50/50 on half a buyin when you could take much better odds on more money.

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OK. Let's say you know the hands are:

Td Th 978073 57.12 728909 42.57 5322 0.31 0.573
As Kc 728909 42.57 978073 57.12 5322 0.31 0.427

Figure out the EV of this hand and tell me again why you're folding.
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Old 05-22-2005, 05:50 PM
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As for this hand, with just the info given here, I fold.
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