88 preflop question

[GHL]

I would say QQ would be the lowest the if they are really LAG or a garden variety maniac...... AA or KK if they are anything else..... althought the "blind steal" brings up a good point...

Based on your read.. given the SB has not raised in almost 70 hands... he has to have a big pair... But I would 3 bet a lot of different hands in that situation.... AK, AQ, maybe TT+.. maybe even KQ or KJ depending on the type of player you are.....

if the BB is awake he would have at least noticed he does not raise often if ever and his raise could possibly scare you more? What are the BB's stats again?

Floping a set is about 81/2 or so to 1 so you actually need those odds to call in this situation. At least one of these guys have a hand. SB may have raised because he thought you were stealing? What happened in the hand?

What sort of implied odds do we need here to make a call correct--10-1 ish?

[gopnik]

call and fold none 8 flop.

[hold_em]

if you fold here you are throwing away money. you could even have them both beat. Dont forget you have position on both of them. i would call the cap and raise the flop...assuming only a bet and call in front of me. Find out where you are at....you can not just fold the flop for one bet....that is crazy.

[Yads]

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You are getting 5:1 immediate odds on your call (based on SB calling the cap); you are pretty much playing for set value, so I think you have a call. Between the two players, you are probably up against some combination of overcards/bigger pairs. If you think you can make up 2.5BB postflop, then you are probably fine. I don't think I'd fold this.

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Not quite, you're getting 10:2 odds, so you need to make up 5 BB post flop. I think it's doable, since you'll probably get 4 BB just on the flop.

[UVaHoo]

You're already getting 10:2 to call the cap. If you're 7.5 to 1 against flopping a set, then why do you need to make up 5 big bets postflop?

You're in position, and you'll easily be able to make that up if you flop your 8, especially if one of them can't get away from their KK or AA (likely in a blind steal situation).

[Carmine]

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You are getting 5:1 immediate odds on your call (based on SB calling the cap); you are pretty much playing for set value, so I think you have a call. Between the two players, you are probably up against some combination of overcards/bigger pairs. If you think you can make up 2.5BB postflop, then you are probably fine. I don't think I'd fold this.

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Not quite, you're getting 10:2 odds, so you need to make up 5 BB post flop. I think it's doable, since you'll probably get 4 BB just on the flop.

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Wouldn't it be 5SB you need to make up for which would equal 2.5BB