Challenging the basics behind ICM

[pooh74]

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u don't understand ICM

ICM doesn't have anything to do with opponents or reads or cards or anything

All ICM does is tell u the equity that a chipstack has in the tournament prize pool based on the stack sizes of everyone at the table


that's it


we then use calling ranges, reads, probability, etc to determine the possible chip stack outcomes if we push/call vs if we fold...we then use ICM to see what our equity would be in those various outcomes...if the equity average (Weighted by probability of each outcome occuring) is higher when we push/call than the equity of us folding, then we say it's +$ev to push/call


nobody relies solely on ICM because all ICM does is tell u the equity of a chip stack


the better u read the players and determine what they will do, the better you give accurate probabilities of the outcome, so the more often u will make the correct move


nobody emphasizes ICM over anything else, as it is merely an equity calculator...

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Very nice!

[schwza]

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ICM doesn't have anything to do with opponents or reads or cards or anything

All ICM does is tell u the equity that a chipstack has in the tournament prize pool based on the stack sizes of everyone at the table

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obviously there are times when ICM does not give the best possible estimate of equity. someone is away, there is a tiny stack, there is a maniac, etc. i agree with you that the guy you're responding to does not really understand what icm is though.

[PrayingMantis]

Again, it is very clear that you don't understand what ICM means. Most of what you say simply doesn't make sense. End this embarrasment and learn what is ICM, IN REALITY, not just as 3 letters you use in a random way, in order to make some "original" and/or "important" point about reads (a point that in fact is painfuly clear to everybody around here).