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Old 09-22-2005, 12:10 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

MP3 (t785)
CO (t735)
Button (t900)
SB (t735)
Hero (t875)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t785)
MP2 (t785)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">8 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t35</font>, Hero calls t20.

Flop: (t70) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t70</font>, hero?
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Old 09-22-2005, 12:17 PM
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Default Re: $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand

I would call.

1) I think your hand is ahead enough of the time to make folding at this point bad.
2) You don't hate to see a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the turn, as it gives you more outs in case you are behind
3) You're in position on the turn and get to see how SB acts first - I could fold to a big turn bet after calling the flop knowing I'm behind enough of the time to make it right.
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Old 09-22-2005, 12:22 PM
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Default Re: $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand

This is one spot where I would raise to 200 and define my hand. Any special reason why you shouldn't think you're ahead?
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Old 09-22-2005, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand

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This is one spot where I would raise to 200 and define my hand. Any special reason why you shouldn't think you're ahead?

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I don't do this mainly because of pot-size control reasons. I have a difficult time in these SB v BB situations though when the blinds are small and I flop a strong but not invincible hand, so I'm interested in hearing others' responses.
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Old 09-22-2005, 03:15 PM
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Default Re: $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand

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This is one spot where I would raise to 200 and define my hand. Any special reason why you shouldn't think you're ahead?

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I think it's cheaper to let SB define your hand by calling and seeing how he reacts to the turn. He's probably not gonna make another big bet if he has something like TT. If he is weak on the turn I think you can be pretty sure you're good. Then you can either take it down or check behind and make some money when he calls you on the river.
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Old 09-22-2005, 03:35 PM
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Default Re: $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand

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This is one spot where I would raise to 200 and define my hand. Any special reason why you shouldn't think you're ahead?

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I think it's cheaper to let SB define your hand by calling and seeing how he reacts to the turn. He's probably not gonna make another big bet if he has something like TT. If he is weak on the turn I think you can be pretty sure you're good. Then you can either take it down or check behind and make some money when he calls you on the river.

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so do you fold if villain makes a normal bet?
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Old 09-22-2005, 04:31 PM
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Default Re: $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand

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This is one spot where I would raise to 200 and define my hand. Any special reason why you shouldn't think you're ahead?

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I think it's cheaper to let SB define your hand by calling and seeing how he reacts to the turn. He's probably not gonna make another big bet if he has something like TT. If he is weak on the turn I think you can be pretty sure you're good. Then you can either take it down or check behind and make some money when he calls you on the river.

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so do you fold if villain makes a normal bet?

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Against many villains, yes. if i think he's very LAG i will call him down. but in that scenario calling flop is still better as i give him a chance to fire more bluff barrels.
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Old 09-22-2005, 04:56 PM
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Default Re: $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand

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This is one spot where I would raise to 200 and define my hand. Any special reason why you shouldn't think you're ahead?

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I think it's cheaper to let SB define your hand by calling and seeing how he reacts to the turn. He's probably not gonna make another big bet if he has something like TT. If he is weak on the turn I think you can be pretty sure you're good. Then you can either take it down or check behind and make some money when he calls you on the river.

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so do you fold if villain makes a normal bet?

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Against many villains, yes. if i think he's very LAG i will call him down. but in that scenario calling flop is still better as i give him a chance to fire more bluff barrels.

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in this hand, it's very early, so no reads. do you think folding the turn is too weak? i don't see any reason that villain is more likely to have a good ace than a bad one, and there are 3 bigger ones against 9 smaller ones, not to mention the other junk he could be holding.
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Old 09-22-2005, 12:27 PM
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Default Re: $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand

I like calling for information here. This looks like a WAWB spot, so getting to showdown as cheaply as possible looks good to me. If he makes another good sized bet on the turn, then you can re-evaluate.
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Old 09-22-2005, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: $33 - blind v blind 2nd hand

I think you'd be surprised at the number of times that this isn't a WAWB spot, but rather a raise from the SB and auto bet any flop spot.
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