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Re: OT: Heads up starting hands
Lando,
One more time: IT'S NOT ABOUT YOUR CARDS IT'S ABOUT YOUR OPPONENT. Not only does this really apply to all poker....it especially does to these deep stacks HU STTs where there really aren't objectively 'correct' plays based on pure math. You need to know your opponent and it will affect the math way more than in a 10H STT or MTT or whatever. As for starting hands vs. 'normal' lowish buyin HU STT players....you can play a huge range and raise a lot b/c you're always up vs. a random hand...it's not like a ring game where you're up against 9 hands when someone or other likely has a premium hand. You can almost play HU without looking at your cards until you face a big bet/raise and know that you need to have 'it'....in fact, I think I'm going to try just that. Yugoslav |
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Re: OT: Heads up starting hands
[ QUOTE ]
One more time: IT'S NOT ABOUT YOUR CARDS IT'S ABOUT YOUR OPPONENT. [/ QUOTE ] While this is said often and many times exaggerated, I think this is interesting in this discussion. For example, what kind of opponent makes Q7 (or any other medicore hand) a profitable hand? The thing is I am not sure there will be a big difference from opponent to opponent in the low buy ins. In a 10 handed sng there are probably several situations where the standard line is incorrect against your opponent but it works well enough to make money overall. Obviously, the difference will be greater in HU sngs since you are playing only one opponent instead of a group. [ QUOTE ] it especially does to these deep stacks HU STTs where there really aren't objectively 'correct' plays based on pure math. You need to know your opponent and it will affect the math way more than in a 10H STT or MTT or whatever. [/ QUOTE ] I don't understand this. How will it affect the math more? Are you saying more accurate hand ranges are needed? Or is it because the hand ranges will be wider HU than at a full table? |
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Re: OT: Heads up starting hands
applejuicekid,
When I say the read affects the math 'more' what I really mean is that in a full table STT using SNA and such you can come up with many situations where there are non-exploitable ways to play situations - no matter what your opponent does. In HU this isn't really the case. Obviously, pushing AA every time you get it preflop is unexploitable but knowing that isn't really helpful. For instance, Hu at the end of full STTs when you and your opponent have ~10xBB you can find an unexploitable strategy for *any* opponent....you may make much more money playing an exploitable strategy that ends up exploiting your opponent.....in a deeper stack HU match you can't even 'solve' without knowing something about your opponent. I dunno....my point is that in STTs many 'pushbots' can go on sorta autopilot and never watch what their opponents are doing...in HU you can't really do this - which is why it's very difficult to multitable and maintain a robust ROI (and most high buyin players I know of can't even play more than 1 or 2 profitably ....whereas any other form of poker they can play bajillions of tables). Bah...that barely makes sense.....meh. Yugoslav |
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Re: OT: Heads up starting hands
You can't just sit around in a HU game until you have 10 or so BBs or a monster. If you have a deep stack, you will generally have to play multiple streets. It is very difficult to do the math on multiple streets.
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Re: OT: Heads up starting hands
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Lando, One more time: IT'S NOT ABOUT YOUR CARDS IT'S ABOUT YOUR OPPONENT. Not only does this really apply to all poker....it especially does to these deep stacks HU STTs where there really aren't objectively 'correct' plays based on pure math. You need to know your opponent and it will affect the math way more than in a 10H STT or MTT or whatever. As for starting hands vs. 'normal' lowish buyin HU STT players....you can play a huge range and raise a lot b/c you're always up vs. a random hand...it's not like a ring game where you're up against 9 hands when someone or other likely has a premium hand. You can almost play HU without looking at your cards until you face a big bet/raise and know that you need to have 'it'....in fact, I think I'm going to try just that. Yugoslav [/ QUOTE ] this is a very good post. vnh |
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