party 30/60 hand I'm not happy with

[ggbman]

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It may be results oriented to say call the river. And I do like folding the turn. But I think calling the river is consistent with calling the turn. What I'd like is someone to explain why calling the turn and folding the river is correct taking into account the size of the pot and the likelihood that UTG is second best to you.

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Paluka felt that there was a decent chance people would semi-bluff the turn, but there was almost 0% liklihood that someone would follow through into 2 people on the river with a hand worse than his. I understand his thought process, but i still advocate either folding the turn of calling down. (And i lean very heavily towards folding the turn) Basically the pot was laying him like 10-1, so he has to have the best hand 10% of th time to overcall this river. I think he might be lucky to have the best hand 5% o the time here. This was just a circumstance where he got shown worse hands and wanted to confirm that his play was ok, which i think it was. (although i fold 1 street earlier)

[Paluka]

There doesn't seem to be a lot of consensus on how to play this hand. I thought it was a tough spot.

[shemp]

So what happened was a 20:1 shot or worse that Paluka just happened to witness? O rly. That seems quite a bit long to me. Not 1 in 10 but fewer than 1 in 20 unknown Party 30 players is this goofy. You might be right. I'm skeptical.

[TheWorstPlayer]

Why not raise preflop? If you have QJs you are raising preflop, right? QJo doesn't seem much worse against bad playing early limpers.

[haakee]

I don't like the spot you're in on the turn here. There's a chance you might have the best hand, but you'll have to fold the river to a bet-call in front of you if you decide to call the turn.

I would play it the same way you did PF and on the flop (although sometimes I'd smooth-call the flop and raise the turn). On the turn I would sit and agonize for a little bit, think to myself "This sucks, I might be ahead here" then click the fold button.

[AceHigh]

I don't have a problem with the way you played it until the river, I think you should call the river if you call the turn. Unless the utg player raises.

[flawless_victory]

i raise preflop and i raise the turn as well planning to most likely check down the river.
if BB is passive, or sane i would just fold the turn, but i dont know what youre supposed to be putting him on here and his erratic play makes me think he must be an idiot. it seems like hes picked up a club draw here alot, and if thats the case, you have every1 beat.

[Paluka]

I don't really like raising preflop in this spot. I think people get themselves into trouble trying to raise preflop in multiway pots with hands that have basically zero showdown value. With the preflop raise and a near mandatory continuation bet it ends up costing you 3 times as much to "see the flop".

[TheWorstPlayer]

Why is a continuation bet near mandatory? Multi-way against people who won't fold, it doesn't seem like it is. But you should still be able to extract enough playing QJ on the BN against bad players to make the raise profitable, no? What do you think your equity in the pot is, taking into account position and playing ability?

[Duke]

Maybe DERB used to run into tough spots like this too.

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