"Putting your tourney life on the line" is the new "AK is a drawing ha

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Looks like its safe to say some players here are + with AK while others are -....im in the minus column including 0-5 last night in the 40k (including here where it lost to 910 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...amp;vc=1)...now 0-6 after busting out of the local b&m tourny this morning with AK vs 1010....and lest i forget pokertracker says im winning with AK at a 28% clip, up from 23% a few months ago i might add.. and just a guesstimate but i'd think 80% of these are all-ins when either im short stacked or my opponent is. and a lot of these wins are when i flop an A or K and the pot is folded to me after a bet..so my percentage has got to be sickening if i looked at just the hands that go to the river

But then again i am the worst player on this site and if i was better im sure it would hit more often [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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If you've lost money playing AK over a large sample, you're a very bad poker player.

[BCl]

"If you've lost money playing AK over a large sample, you're a very bad poker player. "

I think i made both those points already .

but isnt the whole point of these AK discussions whether its plus+ ev to call with AK and then go to the river with it?? so tell me how being a good player has anything whatsoever to do with it. you have AK your opponent has ?/? you both pull the trigger and the results come out...in those situations i have lost A LOT more than i have won. not nearly as bad a % at Party ov 2000+ hands as i have at Stars ov1500+ hands but bad none the less.
i also stated that when playing them as a regular hand and betting the flop when they improved i had the vast majority of my wins with them..

but i still dont understand where the "skill" comes into play when your calling or going all-in with them, they either improve, hold up or you lose. in todays discussion about pckt 4's, what differance does it make if you call down the 4's with AK or 56? if you dont get help from the board you lose if you do you win...what are you saying ? that you are so much better than me that you only call with them when you know the board will improve them?? damn no wonder you win so much and im a donk....

[adanthar]

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2000+ hands
1500+ hands

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Add a zero to both of those and your results will probably, but not necessarily, matter

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2000+ hands
1500+ hands

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Add a zero to both of those and your results will probably, but not necessarily, matter

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Put a one and two zeroes in front of that and we've got a deal.

Guy who I made fun of- Sorry, man. I didn't read your post in full.

[CardSharpCook]

I just put my tourney life on the line with a drawing hand. I'm such a fish. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO (t560)
Button (t4447)
SB (t5140)
BB (t2770)
UTG (t5085)
UTG+1 (t2935)
Hero (t828)
MP2 (t630)
MP3 (t3695)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t450</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t828</font>, Button calls t378.

Flop: (t1731) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t1731) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t1731) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t1731

Results below:
Hero has As Kd (one pair, queens).
Button has 9c 9d (two pair, queens and nines).
Outcome: Button wins t1731.


edit: BTW, this thread does suck.

[JohnG]

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but isnt the whole point of these AK discussions whether its plus+ ev to call with AK and then go to the river with it?? so tell me how being a good player has anything whatsoever to do with it. you have AK your opponent has ?/? you both pull the trigger and the results come out...in those situations i have lost A LOT more than i have won.

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You are probably over playing it on deep money preflop.

You may not be skilled at recognising when to call a preflop allin with AK, and when to fold.

You may have just ran really bad.