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Old 08-16-2005, 02:22 AM
shadow29 shadow29 is offline
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just a note to n00bs:

when you have a 2 card flush, i NEVER put someone else on a flush draw. It's just too rare, and you'll win more when they DONT than you'll lose the few times that they DO. That said, 3 bet this mofo. For each time you lose to a higher you'll win with a flush much more.

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No.

Don't make broad, sweeping generalizations like this one. Certainly, having flush over flush is rare, but you should constantly be evaluating what kinds of hands your opponent has and how his actions and reactions further narrow the scope of his hand range.

Furthermore, player types have every thing to do with this analysis. If the most loose passive player comes completely alive on a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] board and doesn't slow down on the turn, then you have to start thinking about getting to showdown and/or collecting the equity that you make by raising him by going for overcalls.

Saying, "Never put your opponent on a higher flush" is a relative (and getting dangerously close to being), "Fit or fold".

Later.
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:40 AM
Aaron W. Aaron W. is offline
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Default Re: Hmm River Decision...

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just a note to n00bs:

when you have a 2 card flush, i NEVER put someone else on a flush draw. It's just too rare, and you'll win more when they DONT than you'll lose the few times that they DO. That said, 3 bet this mofo. For each time you lose to a higher you'll win with a flush much more.

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You don't really mean this. When you have a 2 card flush (your two cards complete a flopped flush), you should NEVER assume that somebody else has a two card flush without having extra (very solid) information on them. Putting someone on a flush draw (one heart) is a very reasonable thing to do.
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Old 08-16-2005, 12:49 AM
irishpint irishpint is offline
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your flop c/r attempt is disgusting. You figure to have the best hand on the flop, but another heart and you're screwed. A, K, Q or hearts, and more if they are fish, aren't folding to even 2 bets cold. Just bet the flop and make them pay if they are trying to draw out on you.
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Old 08-16-2005, 01:15 AM
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I think you have to bet this flop. A monochrome board often scares the PFR into checking.
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Old 08-16-2005, 11:50 AM
Vote4Pedro Vote4Pedro is offline
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FLOP : The majority of the time, I find this to be an easy/standard bet/3bet situation. I think I got too fancy and assumed a few things would happen: 1)Button betting flop 2)SB playing back at him (BTW, 1+2 seemed ridiculously probable given the action from previous hands). Is that a bad approach regardless?

TURN : Standard. When button checked the flop, I "ruled" out the possibility of him having something containing the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], so I found his CC to be very odd.

RIVER : Button wakes up when an irrelavent 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] drops and SB calls 2. I ended up 3betting, Button capped and SB dropped out. I call and sure enough he has AK [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. My big question regarded the river play. A river bluff-raise vs two opponents seemed highly unlikely. I 3bet largely because of the presence of SB. In general, should I bet 3betting situations like these ONLY if I'm capable of folding to a cap?
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