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#1
12-05-2005, 01:43 AM
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Axo and the fish
SITUATION: You raise with your premium pair or 2 paint and uberfish calls you.
On the flop you hit/have your big pair but behond the dreaded ace. Friend of every fish that loves Axo. You bet, they call, Turn blank.. you bet they call, river is blank.. you check, they bet. Now what? Do you fold to uberfish? Now consider uberfish will once in a while bluff or bet some small pair thinking you were bluffing on the river. Seen this alot. 
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#2
12-05-2005, 01:50 AM
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Re: Axo and the fish
Not to be unhelpful but...it depends.
So you think uberfish will bluff occassionally. The pot should be laying you 6:1 or so at this point, so do you think he has no A more than 1:6 you call, if not fold. And how do we determine that? History with that player, the board's texture (did any obvious draws get there? Was there a two flush/straighty flop that did not complete but he might bluff at now?), how likely your hand is to be good even if he doesn't have the A (any common two pair combos/another overcard/draws?). There's not really a set play here. But just because they love to play any ace, doesn't mean they are more likely to be dealt one. And players who play any ace love to play a lot more bad hands and take those to showdown too.
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#3
12-05-2005, 02:09 AM
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Re: Axo and the fish
Yea thats how I have been playing it. double draws like 98A22 and 2 spades Im calling the river.
A6256 rainbow is another matter. Its really tough sometimes. They just autocall which either means the draw or the ace. The old "I'm just gunna have to see your better ace mr." Just seeing if anyone else had any insight.
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#4
12-05-2005, 02:34 PM
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Re: Axo and the fish
I'd call 'em. Like Barron said, you want this guy to keep playing his rag Ax because, in the long run he's going to lose much more playing those cards than he's going to win. You'll win more times than lose, and even when you lose, you're giving the fish a little tidbit that will make him think it's cool to hold the Ax because he won a pot.
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#5
12-06-2005, 01:18 AM
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Re: Axo and the fish
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I'd call 'em. Like Barron said, you want this guy to keep playing his rag Ax because, in the long run he's going to lose much more playing those cards than he's going to win. You'll win more times than lose, and even when you lose, you're giving the fish a little tidbit that will make him think it's cool to hold the Ax because he won a pot. [/ QUOTE ] A tidbit called implied odds... Aren't you giving him this if you pay off with an underpair on all streets?
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#6
12-06-2005, 12:57 PM
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Re: Axo and the fish
Now with all that said wouldnt a fish eventually catch on?
He sees you just bet all the way down to the end and now he only calls with the ace on the river and DOESNT call anymore with the 55 pair. Maybe I am giving them too much credit. I think if the fish is slightly perceptive you have to check it once in a while, maybe? I notice when I see a guy just bet, bet, bet all the way reguardless of the board after he PF raised.
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#9
12-05-2005, 03:06 PM
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Re: Axo and the fish
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[ QUOTE ] If you're playing fish, an Ace on the board is a cue to check/fold (exception being you maybe bet on the flop to see if they hang around). [/ QUOTE ] This is bad advice. Do you see why? [/ QUOTE ] Because you think losing money to the fish is good?
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#10
12-06-2005, 12:13 AM
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Re: Axo and the fish
Many fish will call a small bet on the flop with any remote possibility of having a hand. Middle pair, bottom pair, 3 to a flush or straight. You need to keep betting if you have one or two opponents.
Now if you bet and 3 or more opponents call then you should consider checking on the next street. The one or two times the fish has the ace does not lose you more than you can make by value betting when they call with draws and middle pair.
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