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#1
12-28-2005, 05:22 PM
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Re: AJo ......help?!?
call the flop c/r
raise the turn there are a lot of bad turn cards, and the 3bet really doesn't protect your hand, if you call the flop, and raise the turn you will be offering something like 6.5/1 and force the field to call 2cold .. which protects against the gutshots 
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#2
12-28-2005, 05:53 PM
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Re: AJo ......help?!?
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call the flop c/r raise the turn there are a lot of bad turn cards, and the 3bet really doesn't protect your hand, if you call the flop, and raise the turn you will be offering something like 6.5/1 and force the field to call 2cold .. which protects against the gutshots [/ QUOTE ] Yep. Also, if you're ahead of SB on the flop, he won't bet the turn for you if you 3 bet, but he will lead the turn with hands that you're ahead of if you just call his c/r.
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#3
12-29-2005, 01:10 AM
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Re: AJo ......help?!?
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call the flop c/r raise the turn [/ QUOTE ] Catch 22. How bad does your gut turn when he checks the turn after just calling his flop raise.... How happy are you when he c/raises an entire field, including a preflop raiser on an AQJ board and then follows it up on the turn.....
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#4
12-29-2005, 03:28 AM
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Re: AJo ......help?!?
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[ QUOTE ] call the flop c/r raise the turn [/ QUOTE ] Catch 22. How bad does your gut turn when he checks the turn after just calling his flop raise.... How happy are you when he c/raises an entire field, including a preflop raiser on an AQJ board and then follows it up on the turn..... [/ QUOTE ] if he checks the turn you protect your hand just as good as you do with a flop3bet(re:not at all) check the raising with a potentially secondbest hand to knock out other players section from HEPFAP, you really want to fold gutshots behind you .. the only way to do that is to call the c/r and raise the turn
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#5
12-29-2005, 06:47 AM
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Re: AJo ......help?!?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] call the flop c/r raise the turn [/ QUOTE ] Catch 22. How bad does your gut turn when he checks the turn after just calling his flop raise.... How happy are you when he c/raises an entire field, including a preflop raiser on an AQJ board and then follows it up on the turn..... [/ QUOTE ] if he checks the turn you protect your hand just as good as you do with a flop3bet(re:not at all) check the raising with a potentially secondbest hand to knock out other players section from HEPFAP, you really want to fold gutshots behind you .. the only way to do that is to call the c/r and raise the turn [/ QUOTE ] This is the concept that I was thinking about when posting the hand. It's one of my favourites in poker. But then I got to thinking... The concept of raising with the second best hand implies that by raising and knocking out other hands, Hero will increase his equity in the pot and therefore justify/outway the investment/cost of protection. In this case though, if Hero is behind, he can't increase his equity by knocking out other players. Should Hero's focus now be extracting maximum value from the other players instead? What % of the time do we need to be ahead of SB for protection to become our priority? Thoughts???? I think this requires a lot more thought.
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