10/20 AKo river fold

danzasmack · #1 12-07-2005, 04:27 AM

Villain is 43.5/20.4/1.97 over enough hands but is not a bad player. Since Empire has gotten small I have played with a lot of the same guys and recognize him playing the same games I am and from what I can tell he plays a few too many hands, and is very loose as far as draws, etc. Basically a LAG.

That being said, this is one of those folds I used to tell myself I'd never make, though I'm fairly certain it's standard.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB raises, Hero folds, Button still left to act

mute · #2 12-07-2005, 06:27 AM

You're getting nearly 15:1 and he is a LAG. I think he is bluffing here often enough.

danzasmack · #3 12-07-2005, 10:50 AM

When he check raises on the river? I figured a bluff would make sense if button folded to my river bet, but when button called I think it's safe to rule out a bluff.

Spicymoose · #4 12-07-2005, 11:02 AM

While he could be bluffing, it is pretty hard to bluff both players, especially when button already called the original bet. SB could easily have AsKs, AQ, AsJs, AsTs, QQ, AA. I think these hands are so much more likely than some random bluff, that even though we are getting huge odds to call, a fold is probably ok. Furthermore, since button is in, and is calling most of the time, we get to see SBs hand anyway, so don´t have to call "just to keep him honest", or for future information

#5 12-07-2005, 11:32 AM

Im overcalling, and prob mucking but maybe its because I suck, sometimes players like this get a little to fancy for their own good, and dont give him credit for observing the buttons play and call because he prob isnt thinking about it, also if you call i dont think the button does if hes a decent player?
I look forward to reading more posts here

MyssGuy · #6 12-07-2005, 12:59 PM

I think you are beat here enough to fold. With the button still in, I wouldn't put the SB on being tricky enough to be able to c/r without a hand. If the button had folded, I would be more inclined to call, as Villian may be thinking he only needs you to fold to make this work.