QJs coordinated board - too passive or ok?

[BoogerFace]

*grunching*

Fold on the flop? The pot is small and your probably behind to any A, K with only 4 clean outs. (3 tens and the Qh)

Turn as played is fine.

[WalkAmongUs]

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I don't know about .10/.20, but this is 7 handed. If there are already some limpers in the hand, then a limp is ok. But being the first one in, I open with QJs. It plays well multi way, so if everyone calls, no big deal, but if we can get a few folds, even better.

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Do you open-raise QJs from MP1 at a full 10 handed game? I'm just wondering because I was thinking about tinkering with raising medium suited hands from an earlier position than I normally do. Usually with something like QJs or KJs, I'll open-raise no earlier than MP3.

I play 2/4 currently. I've also logged about 2,000 hands at 3/6. 3/6 will mess with you. I see 15/9/2 players raising with A7 offsuit from MP1. Blind stealing is taken to a new level there.

[car ramrod]

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Do you open-raise QJs from MP1 at a full 10 handed game? I'm just wondering because I was thinking about tinkering with raising medium suited hands from an earlier position than I normally do. Usually with something like QJs or KJs, I'll open-raise no earlier than MP3.

I play 2/4 currently. I've also logged about 2,000 hands at 3/6. 3/6 will mess with you. I see 15/9/2 players raising with A7 offsuit from MP1. Blind stealing is taken to a new level there.


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I only play short hand, so I maybe a little aggressive. I probably would not raise QJs from MP1 in a full game. It's ok to do it in certain situations, or just to mix up your play a bit.

There's an argument to be made for open-raising 7-handed QJs. Otherwise I think we can just muck it.

We should just fold this flop. Bottom pair, and pot is not paying enough to draw at gutshot, which could be a split pot anyhow.

Nice suckout. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[midwestkc]

*grunching*

I'd fold the flop. bottom pair, plus the possibility of someone already having the str8 (meaning you may be drawing to a split, or worse if the flush completes) gives me not much hope of winning the pot outright.

[Hellmouth]

*Grunching

Too many people at this limit are playing Axo trash. With bottom pair you still only have bottom pair. I'm seeing a cheap turn to improve this hand then probably dumping it.
I dont think that you can be more aggressive here since there is a flush draw and you are way behind JT already.

Greg

[Pedigree]

Why would you want to fold the flop but think it's fine to check the turn? That seems like just as much of a fold as the flop is...

[DCWildcat]

grunch

How aggressive should we be with bottom pair and a gutshot, and really no clean outs? Not very. Fold the flop, hard, and try to fold the turn as well, even though you won't have any more cards, because you hate your hand just that much. If this same advice isn't given above, I'm ending it all.

[jaxUp]

I am calling the flop. Even if we only give ourselves 4 outs (reasonable, I think), we are getting 7:1. I am winning at least 2 more BB if I hit the turn, and probably more with BB in the middle. Seriously, the flop call isn't that bad. People need to chill.

[BoogerFace]

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Why would you want to fold the flop but think it's fine to check the turn? That seems like just as much of a fold as the flop is...

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I agree - total brain fart on my part.