Check or bet the turn? (big draw in the Party 3/6 6m)

uw_madtown · #1 08-02-2005, 05:44 PM

Only been there for an orbit or two, and my comp is sucky lately so I'm 4-tabling sans PT/GT+. So my apologies, but this is sans reads. I haven't seen either player get notably out of line though.

I'm dipping my toes into the 3/6 6m and it feels fairly comfy so far, in that my opponents are making bigger mistakes than I am. I ran this hand past people in the #sstakes channel and they seemed to think the turn was worth debate.

Party Poker $3/$6 (6 max, 5 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG limps, Hero raises, Button folds, SB 3-bets, BB folds, UTG and Hero call.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, UTG calls two, Hero caps, both call.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero ???

baronzeus · #2 08-02-2005, 05:47 PM

You have top pair and a flush draw. It's hard given the action on previous streets to bet here but I think against 2 opponents you have plenty of equity.

RunDownHouse · #3 08-02-2005, 05:54 PM

Wow, I don't think its hard to find a bet here at all. I'm ecstatic that I improved.

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Only been there for an orbit or two, and my comp is sucky lately so I'm 4-tabling sans PT/GT+. So my apologies, but this is sans reads.

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I know you said it was early in your session, but this is a good time to find out if GT+ is killing your table/hand-reading ability. And maybe see how you like the 2-tabling Grisgra is so fond of.

SomethingClever · #4 08-02-2005, 06:01 PM

I doubt you have much fold equity, but your hand is probably best close to 1/3 of the time anyway, plus you have that monster draw, so a bet is probably good, and certainly not awful.

One merit to consider re: checking, though, is that SB may bet into you again on the river when you make your hand.

JimmyJazz1 · #5 08-02-2005, 10:40 PM

Why the flop cap? I'd prefer calling the 3-bet and raise it up on the turn or river if you hit your diamond, jack, or queen.

uw_madtown · #6 08-03-2005, 08:59 AM

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Why the flop cap? I'd prefer calling the 3-bet and raise it up on the turn or river if you hit your diamond, jack, or queen.

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My thought at the time was that it was a free card play, so that if the turn bricked I could check behind. With UTG feeding bets in there, I felt the flop cap was pretty standard. Do others disagree?

Poldi · #7 08-03-2005, 09:53 AM

Easy bet I think. For value.

uw_madtown · #8 08-03-2005, 09:01 PM

Bump for more comments, but here's the rest of the hand.

Party Poker $3/$6 (6 max, 5 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG limps, Hero raises, Button folds, SB 3-bets, BB folds, UTG and Hero call.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, UTG calls two, Hero caps, both call.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, both call.

RESULTS IN WHITE
SB had Kh, Ks: a pair of kings.
UTG had 6h, Ad: a pair of sixes.
Hero had Jd, Qd: two pair, queens and jacks. MHIG.

Cancuk · #9 08-03-2005, 09:07 PM

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Why the flop cap? I'd prefer calling the 3-bet and raise it up on the turn or river if you hit your diamond, jack, or queen.

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because he has, potentially, 18 outs.

Digs · #10 08-03-2005, 10:31 PM

lead the turn~