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Old 12-27-2005, 05:47 AM
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Default Re: 99 flops set, but scary board

If they won't fold, then charge them two bets instead of one to continue. If they accept the less favorable odds you are offering them via a double bet the wager becomes more favorable to you. If the odds they accept don't justify the call, you will then make money on them.
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Old 12-27-2005, 05:57 AM
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Default Re: 99 flops set, but scary board

Hand looks okay. Call the river I guess against an unknown here, and typically I 3-bet preflop. Betting the flop is definitely better than check/raising.
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:07 AM
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are you sure they won't have the correct odds to call two cold? many hands have strong draws here.
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:08 AM
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on the flop, what is your reasoning for preferring a lead?
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:15 AM
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are you sure they won't have the correct odds to call two cold?

[/ QUOTE ]No. They might have the correct odds to call one or two bets. But would you rather offer them a 10:1 payoff or 5:1 payoff if they connect?
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:18 AM
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true, it just seems i have a huge equity shift on the turn.
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:34 AM
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true, it just seems i have a huge equity shift on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ] Yes, you do. But you didn't know that card was going to come.

I'd just check/call that river by the way, so I could see the showdown for one. I'd like to show this set down although it won't often be ahead. You might get more value out of bet/folding though. If you bet, I believe you can safely fold to a raise here. I'd like to hear more from some river experts about that though.
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:42 AM
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that's true, i didn't know that card was coming.. but i never claimed otherwise, i just said my bet/raise/fold decision will be much easier odds-wise on the turn with this kind of flop imo.
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Old 12-27-2005, 09:12 AM
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Default Re: 99 flops set, but scary board

3-bet preflop. Get your value in there.
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should i c/c the flop and then c/r turn here?


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No, betting and trapping here is fine. You have a tremendous amount of equity. Further I'm not all that interested in pulling fancy moves to knock people out . The only hand I might really want to push out of the hand is someone with a lone T. I don't see hand protection as a big issue here because the draws that exist are significant enough where as they will call anyway, and further, you knocking the types of hands out that you would be able to knock out by c/r anywhere will not really improve your equity here. You're kind of in a race type situation where you just need to get your bets in when you have the best hand and just be weary when those bad cards do pop up. The flush draws are coming no matter and 7's are too.

I dunno about the river. A read would be nice. Calling would depend on how aggresive he is. Could he do this with 65 or 85, T5 or 55?
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Old 12-27-2005, 09:16 AM
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i really don't know if he'd call with those, i don't have great reads other than assumed looseness based on level.
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