Rolled up Kings hand....too weak on later streets?

[MrBlueNose]

Dieterator will bluff quite often, say 20-30% of time actually has the goods. Critique on all streets is welcomed. $1/$2, 90% seeing 4th.

janise: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Dieterator: --, --, 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
tottenham: --, --, Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Muller: --, --, J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
vicentebcn: --, --, Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
KINESIS: --, --, A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Acer: --, --, 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Pre-fourth:

Dieterator: Bet 1.00
tottenham: Call 1.00
Muller: Call 1.00
vicentebcn: Call 1.00
KINESIS: Call 1.00
Acer: Call 1.00
janise: Raise 2.00
Dieterator: Call 2.00
tottenham: Call 2.00
Muller: Call 2.00
vicentebcn: Call 2.00
KINESIS: Call 2.00
Acer: Call 2.00

Fourth Street:

janise: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Dieterator: --, --, 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
tottenham: --, --, Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Muller: --, --, J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
vicentebcn: --, --, Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
KINESIS: --, --, A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Acer: --, --, 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
KINESIS: Check
Acer: Check
janise: Bet 1.00
Dieterator: Call 1.00
tottenham: Call 1.00
Muller: Call 1.00
vicentebcn: Raise 2.00
KINESIS: Call 2.00
Acer: Call 2.00
janise: Raise 3.00
Dieterator: Call 3.00
tottenham: Call 3.00
Muller: Call 3.00
vicentebcn: Call 3.00
KINESIS: Call 3.00
Acer: Call 3.00

Fifth Street:

janise: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Dieterator: --, --, 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
tottenham: --, --, Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Muller: --, --, J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
vicentebcn: --, --, Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
KINESIS: --, --, A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Acer: --, --, 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
vicentebcn: Check
KINESIS: Check
Acer: Check
janise: Bet 2.00
Dieterator: Raise 4.00
tottenham: Fold
Muller: Fold
vicentebcn: Call 4.00
KINESIS: Fold
Acer: Call 4.00
janise: Call 4.00

Sixth Street:

janise: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Dieterator: --, --, 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
vicentebcn: --, --, Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Acer: --, --, 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
vicentebcn: Check
Acer: Check
janise: Check
Dieterator: Bet 2.00
vicentebcn: Call 2.00
Acer: Call 2.00
janise: Call 2.00

Seventh Street:

janise: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Dieterator: --, --, 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] --
vicentebcn: --, --, Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] --
Acer: --, --, 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] --
vicentebcn: Check
Acer: Fold
janise: Check
Dieterator: Bet 2.00
vicentebcn: Call 2.00
janise: Call 2.00

[BeerMoney]

Keep Putting $$$ in.. IF you lose, you lose. No one can have trip aces or whatever.. Keep jamming. I do just call 7th.

[MRBAA]

Looks okay to me. He says he has a flush by his betting -- your side cards are very dead, you only have three outs I think to fill/quads on fifth.

[Rozez]

I bet sixth. It is quite unlikely that he's bluffing this time but the pot is big and you have six outs to full house or better if he has a flush.

Something interesting happened on fifth. Dieterator's raise knocked out half of his opponents. Many players would instinctively slowplay a made flush in a situation like this. Getting those overcalls now and on sixth street is a tempting idea and I don't think he's willing to risk those extra bets just by playing tricky. Of course, if he's clever enough to know something about his table image he might raise here, knowing his opponents would call anyway, suspecting a bluff.

If you bet sixth and he raises again, well then you're probably in trouble. Most bluffers don't fire on two big streets in a row. The pot is getting bigger and bigger thus your willingness to call his raise has also increased. However, if you bet and he raises, it's a check-call line on seventh street, just like you did.

Rozez

[MRBAA]

Two important factors you overlook: dead sidecards and that Dieterator gives action on 4th, too. Sure looks like a four flush there that flushed up on fifth.

[MrBlueNose]

[ QUOTE ]
Two important factors you overlook: dead sidecards and that Dieterator gives action on 4th, too. Sure looks like a four flush there that flushed up on fifth.

[/ QUOTE ]

Dieterator only calls on 4th. vicentebcn was the one raising, and he's as laggy as you get.

Good point about dead sidecards though. Against a different opponent I bet 6th in case he was going for free card, but I knew he'd bet anyway regardless of whether ahead or not.

Results in white:

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Showdown:

Dieterator shows: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (high card: Queen)
vicentebcn shows: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Eights)
janise shows: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (three of a kind Kings)

janise wins the pot of 67.50 with three of a kind: Kings
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[Andy B]

Against a chronic bluffer, I put in at least one more raise before taking my foot off the gas.

[Andy B]

The pot is plenty big on fifth street. There would be no reason to slow-play a flush or much of anything else for that matter.

[Rozez]

[ QUOTE ]
Two important factors you overlook: dead sidecards and that Dieterator gives action on 4th, too. Sure looks like a four flush there that flushed up on fifth.

[/ QUOTE ]

Right. Good point about those sidecards, I missed them completely [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Rozez]

Yeah it's that TOP philosophy of doing anything it takes to win the pot when it gets big enough. Greed can be a powerful ally but it can also deceive you, I guess [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]