Bubble Play with KK

whiskeytown · #1 12-31-2005, 12:28 AM

this and Davidross's reply reminded me of a hand...

I was BB with 93 or something and flopped top pair - turn comes with an overcard and my opponent bets -

and I was in the tank for 15 seconds...and then I said "wait a sec...this is my BB - I don't give a rats ass if I fold top pair with no kicker or not - I don't WANT this hand and I'm lucky I got any part of the flop and probably not that lucky at all."

If you fold, no one will know that you're tight and laid down a monster - but in this spot, I don't see how I could get away from it - I'd be all in so fast I might get a fold just out of fear - LOL.

I've never had a read on anyone as so TAG that I could lay down KK that easily.

What's everyone's opinion on just smoothcalling the raise and pushing all in on any flop that doesn't have an A? Sometimes I do this near the bubble - just cause everyone's playing an A - I think this is wrong...but at the same time, if I'm seeing AK, it's easier to play it this way and knock them out post flop then letting them see all 5 cards, which they would do if we both got allin preflop.

I figure I'm allin preflop or postflop, I'm gonna get a caller - but my chances of getting a muck post flop are much greater if that flop comes and misses - if he hits, well, he probably would have hit if I had gone allin preflop anyways...

I sorta like playing that way - a lot of players will shrug and call an all-in on a draw with hands like A7 suited but a lot fewer do it post flop after they don't get their A or two spades.

RB

TwistedEcho · #2 12-31-2005, 12:34 AM

or we can get allin preflop a big fav? If the flop comes rags, you can lose AQ/AJ, same if the flop comes KQx and he has JJ or something. Get allin preflop, and your ahead by a lot usually - ok sure bubbling sucks, but you want a stack to contend on the final table, not JUST itm right?

jcm4ccc · #3 12-31-2005, 01:25 AM

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What's everyone's opinion on just smoothcalling the raise and pushing all in on any flop that doesn't have an A?

[/ QUOTE ] Very bad, I think. If the flop doesn't have an Ace, then you'll regret that you didn't push preflop, because those people with Aces will fold when you want them to call.

With KK, don't look to minimize your losses. Look to maximize your gain. Push. If anyone calls you with less than AA, then you've made a successful play, regardless of the outcome.

jcm4ccc · #4 12-31-2005, 01:27 AM

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a lot of players will shrug and call an all-in on a draw with hands like A7 suited but a lot fewer do it post flop after they don't get their A or two spades.

RB

[/ QUOTE ] Which is EXACTLY why this is a bad play.

nath · #5 12-31-2005, 03:01 AM

It's freakin' kings. You wouldn't be making this post if he turned over QQ or JJ and that happens plenty often enough.
Look, if I have to put an opponent on exactly one hand that beats me, and I don't have enough information to do that with sheer certainty, I don't fold. You don't get enough good hands in MTTs to outthink yourself on the big ones.