2 Folds against the same guy

[rwanger]

Hand 1.

I would definately bet this flop myself because I am against two opponents. I think if you're checking here, it should be for deception and to keep your opponents off balance, but there is no need to do this in a multiway pot.

CERTAINLY call that river. He's making a tiny bet into a large pot. I think you are good here often enough to make the call. It looks like a blocking bet to me (which, he could be doing with a better hand than yours in this case). If he hit his flush he should be betting more than 1/4 of the pot. Why call a large raise on the draw if you aren't going to get max value on the river when you hit?

In the future, if you are going to abandon your hand in the face of a tiny bet like this, then don't bother raising the turn. Just call him on again on the river. It would probably have cost you less money, and you'd get to see what he had.

I have no problem with hand 2, in a vacuum, you are definately behind after the river. EXCEPT that if I was the villian, I would have learned from hand 1 that it doesn't take much to get you to fold on the river. I would bet 1/3 of the pot on the river against you just about chance I could for the rest of the night. Then, just to mix it up, I'd check to you with a decent hand and call when you bet your worse hand because you're sick of me always buying the pot.

I'm not sure what you were implying about meta-game, but for future meta-game purposes, definately call the river in hand 1 (expecting to be beat much of the time (but not ALL of the time)), so that hand 2 doesn't happen to you all night long.

[SmileyEH]

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CERTAINLY call that river. He's making a tiny bet into a large pot. I think you are good here often enough to make the call. It looks like a blocking bet to me (which, he could be doing with a better hand than yours in this case). If he hit his flush he should be betting more than 1/4 of the pot. Why call a large raise on the draw if you aren't going to get max value on the river when you hit?

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The thing with the river is that it is pairing the board. As far as the other guy is concerned I probably have a boat now so he doesn't push the river with his flush like he planned to and just bets small. I didn't really consider the fact that he is making a blocking bet with a weaker king, but how often does KJ ever get this far?

-SmileyEH

[BobboFitos]

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but how often does KJ ever get this far?

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The beauty of your line is... very often

[SmileyEH]

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but how often does KJ ever get this far?

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The beauty of your line is... very often

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Ouch, ok. I'm glad the rest of the hand was ok because frankly it seemed pretty much standard until the river. It's tough coming from a limit mentality of always paying off on the river, and then having to balance it with it the need to make good folds in nl. I guess I went a little overboard on this hand.

-SmileyEH

[rwanger]

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The thing with the river is that it is pairing the board. As far as the other guy is concerned I probably have a boat now so he doesn't push the river with his flush like he planned to and just bets small. I didn't really consider the fact that he is making a blocking bet with a weaker king, but how often does KJ ever get this far?

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(Hand 1 river)

I do realize that it looks like you are beat. But remember that he thinks you played it suspiciously, and he definately doesn't think you filled on the river, because he wouldn't lead out in that scenario. (It takes an odd mentality indeed to think you can block bet a guy who just boated).

You need to be ahead only 17% of the time here to show a profit. Combine that with the metagame aspect of "not letting people know they can push you off hands where you've raised twice with a tiny blocking bet on the river".

It's hard to put him on a specific hand here, but you are definately priced in.

You need to call.

You will then be able to be more comfortable with your fold on hand 2.

What about betting the flop in Hand 1 because you will also bet this flop with 65s?