When do you go all in deep stacked?

[floppy]

I'm just trying to wrap my head around this move, and I keep seeing it brought up here and when I play deep stacked. I'll try to keep this as simple as possible:

When do you go all in with deep stacks:

- With a monster?
- As a bluff?

Just to be clear, I'm referring to situations where the all-in bet is at least 5X the pot. In other words, a huge overbet.

And then, I guess, as a follow-up:

When do you call a deep stacked all-in? Do you just have to be certain that it's a bluff 50% of the time?

[beavens]

i dont use the massive overbet TOO much.. it's def a situational move..

and when a deep stack puts me AI i'll if i'm pretty sure i can put him on a worse hand than mind.

all the play leading up to the AI is also crucial, as well as reads/stats on the villain.

[Rococo]

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When do you go all in with deep stacks:

- With a monster?
- As a bluff?


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Against very weak players, massive overbets can work any time you have a set on an unpaired board with no realistic straight or flush possibilities. They rarely work as a bluff.

Against medium strength players, massive overbets are most effective when you have the stone-cold nuts and your opponent likely has a VERY strong second best hand. (e.g., you have quads and you are pretty sure your opponent has a good boat).

Against good, high limit players, overbetting can be effective, but usually only as part of a well thought out pattern of overbetting with the nuts and with nothing (i.e. having a good sense of optimal bluffing frequency)

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And then, I guess, as a follow-up:

When do you call a deep stacked all-in? Do you just have to be certain that it's a bluff 50% of the time?

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At low limit, you should call these bets only with the nuts, when you likely have a bigger boat than your opponent, or if your opponent is obviously tilty and you have a reasonably strong hand.