Please tell me, why do experienced players have 'Amnesia'?

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it's arrogance, and the fact that putting others down make one feel bigger. my qustion is : what led you to assume you'd find humanity in a poker hall?

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Oh I don't know, perhaps because there, what appeared to be at the time, human beings sitting at the Table?? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Seriously, I'd been in Casinos for years, none that had poker of course until then, and I'd never had a bad experience.

So, I figured it would carry over into playing poker, and well, I was wrong.

I didn't know any better, yet another part of my inexperience of what poker was/is really like sometimes.

I've been playing now between 2 1/2 and 3 years now ... so I know better now.

However, back then I didn't, but I do today.

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I see this all the time while playing online. I think you are too kind when you call it Amnesia, forgetfulness, or whatever. It's rather some kind of complex and need to attack other people to make oneself seem better.

Whatever is the cause, this is VERY stupid, and whoever is doing it does it to their own detriment. We all want bad players in our games. That's how we make money.

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I see this all the time while playing online. I think you are too kind when you call it Amnesia, forgetfulness, or whatever. It's rather some kind of complex and need to attack other people to make oneself seem better.

Whatever is the cause, this is VERY stupid, and whoever is doing it does it to their own detriment. We all want bad players in our games. That's how we make money.

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[img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Well, that's the thing, now isn't it? I (also) hate when this happens as well (now) because it scares all the newbie players away, and I can't win their money.

One time when I saw this happen to another player (who then left the table and the room upset) at a table I had just sat down at, and was about to say something, another player jumps up, furious, and turns to the culprit and said ...

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How DARE you take food from my kids mouths? How dare you scare the Newbie (he said fish though) away! He's been coming here for a week now, and I've gotten a TON of money off of him, by chatting him up and being nice to him, and making him feel welcome.

You come in here, and one fell swoop ... you scared him off! I ought to kick you where the sun doesn't shine!

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Well, the guy doing the damage was flabbergasted, and then ... lol ... he spent the rest of the night on TILT (the guy who was doing the damage to the newbie), trying to cream the guy who stood up to him (he didn't ... we got ALL of his money before he stormed out of the place).

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How do you know it was an experienced player? Most experienced players want to keep the game fun and light with a gambling air.

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I think you mean most 'winning' players. Plenty of 'experienced' players berate new players. You know, these same guys that brag that they've played for 30+ years but still don't like raising aces on the button with 5 limpers because they can't get anyone out and anyone that does is an idiot...

Yeah, those types of guys.

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What he said.

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Hi Cincylady,

you wrote:

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'experienced' (good) Players, sitting at the same table, who don't stand up for the Newbie, and allow for it to either happen, or allow for the (bad) behavior to continue??

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Thats a hard question to answer. It probably has something to do with a lack of theoretical understanding of where the profit comes from in poker. Some players win without understanding why. There have been a number of threads about the appropriate way to intervene in situations like this, and for that reason, I believe that many 2+2ers would defend the new player at the table.

Thankfully (for obvious reasons), most players are not 2+2ers. Some of the good players you are meeting are probably only modest winners. Others may be big winners with extremely severe oversight in keeping the game fun and putting players in the mood to gamble.

Cheers,
Snowball

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Why do experience players, seem to have Amnisia when it comes to newbie players?

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"Whattaya lookin' at? You're all a bunch of [censored] assholes. You know why? 'Cause you don't have the guts to be what you wanna be. You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your [censored] fingers, and say "that's the bad guy." So, what dat make you? Good? You're not good; you just know how to hide. Howda lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth--even when I lie. So say goodnight to the bad guy. Come on; the last time you gonna see a bad guy like this, let me tell ya. Come on, make way for the bad guy. There's a bad guy comin' through; you better get outta his way!"

-Tony Montana

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Even still though, after this happened, and during that first year, I found myself many times on the defensive, as players who KNEW I was green, would berate me for my play, telling me how stupid I was for calling this or that (often in the form of a personal attack), seeming to forget that EVERYONE has to start the learning process somewhere, and forgetting what it was like, regardless of how long ago it was, when THEY first learned how to play.

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Umm, some players do this to ALL players. Many people get satisfaction out of putting others down. Or they just want to vent frustration.

Most good players know not to berate beginners, especially at live games, because that's a terrible way to empty their wallets. The people doing the berating, by and large, are bad players who see the specks in the eyes of others but not the planks in their own.

I get annoyed by jackasses at a table. I find the best strategy is to ignore them, perhaps sticking a needle back at them if it's done in such a way as to be likely to shut them up (as opposed to provoking them further). The reality is that there are a lot of jackasses in the world, and learning to deal with them maturely is part of life.

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The thing is though, I guess another question I might have then, is why do those who ARE truly 'experienced' (Good) Players, who are sitting at the same table, ALLOW for it to happen or continue then?


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I think this whole problem is not limited to poker.

Why do so many "institutions" require you to go through some initiation-ritual that often are cruel and degrading?
Why do so many people who are treated badly when they first start something say to themselves "One day, it will be ME who treats people like crap!!! Then it will be payback time!!!"

I think, these people hold the opinion they actually have a RIGHT to berate on newbies. They think, because they do whatever they do for so long, they are at the top of the food chain and everyone that is new has to live up to some standards they think they are asked to impose. This is paternalistic thinking. And it is even more rampant when they are actually facing a woman.

And why do the other players do nothing? Because they are cowards? Why do most people just look away when something terrible happens to someone in public? "This is none of my business. It is actually good for me if someone puts someone else on tilt a little. When I do not participate actively, noone can blame me." That's what they think. It takes courage to open the mouth and speak against what seems to be the "public opinion". I guess you could have walked up to anyone who sat at that given table that one night and each and every one of them would have uttered some cheap excuse. I don't even value the reaction of that guy in your other story that much who stood up AFTER the victim left. That isn't strength. That is even worse because what he says misses the social tragedy that just happend by far! The correct response to him would have been "it's too late now, coward. And that goes for all of you here! you are pathetic." He was doing a marginally right thing for the complete wrong reason.

Regards,

Genz