When your friends get mad at you - Page 2

lighterjobs · #11 11-26-2005, 11:17 PM

If you really are as good as you say you are you should be making enough online to not have to worry about winning your friends money in a home game. they are supposed to be fun and the money not really matter. if you're playing for stakes that are kind of high for your friends you might want to consider dropping the stakes.

#12 11-27-2005, 12:49 AM

Let me clarify a few things.

I never said in my post that I was a great player. Yet I had a few people say things like:

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If you really are as good as you say you are ...

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if you'd posted this as one paragraph and without all the stuff about how much better you are then them ...

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You vastly overestimate your own abilities. If you were as good as you believe you are ...

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I'm not sure where you guys have gotten all of this. The only thing positive I said about my abilities is that on this particular night I was steamrolling them due to a very aggressive style. I never said I am a great player or that I am better than my friends are. They have beaten me out of pots plenty of times.

Also, I don't understand a lot of your responses like:

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you should be making enough online to not have to worry about winning your friends money in a home game. they are supposed to be fun and the money not really matter.

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Do you desperately want to make money? Or do you want to have a good time with your friends? Even at that, I don't think desperately trying to maliciously tilt my friends is much of a way to spend my night.

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I try not to be a dick when I play with my friends. We just like to mess around and have a good time.

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... don't take it so seriously.

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I really don't take it seriously. It was the exact opposite. I play to have fun, and I did. My friends took it pretty seriously when I beat them out of pots. Secondly, of course I play to have fun with my friends, but we are playing poker, and I take it that we are all trying to win. I don't see the problem here with me trying to win against them. They are trying to beat me as well.

And then there was this:

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you a douche.

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I suppose this was directed toward me. This kind of response is totally uncalled for. It is this kind of trash-the-poster attitude prevalent at two-plus-two that really drags the whole forum down, IMHO. I still love two-plus-two, it's my favorite forum to read and learn from. But please, stop being jerks.

I thought about looking up some of the other replies that thepuppet has made to others on this forum to see if he calls other people douches and trashes them, but the I thought better of wasting my time.

Mike

dogmeat · #13 11-27-2005, 01:17 AM

Here's the deal - people used to get together and play a little poker for fun, and maybe a player or two thought they might make a few bucks, well, that's cool. However, since you (and 99% of the world right now apparently) thinks they are the second coming of Johnny Moss, they play like winning is more important than anything else.

Playing against somebody that is raising every hand is not any fun, and that's the problem. You want to push everybody around - fine, just understand that you have no friends at the poker table (and none afterwards either). Make your choice, friends - or money (I'm not judging, just giving you your options).

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#14 11-27-2005, 01:48 AM

Thanks for the reply. I appreciate the candor. And it's definitely something to consider. One thing though, like I said before I don't think I'm the greatest player in the world. I don't know why people keep insinuating that I think that I am.

etizzle · #15 11-27-2005, 02:12 AM

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You vastly overestimate your own abilities. If you were as good as you believe you are you wouldn't be taking your friends lunch money and you'd be making real money playing in a casino or online.
-James

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CourtesyFlush · #16 11-27-2005, 03:35 AM

I think it depends on what kind of game you're playing in. When I played with my friends from university, they knew the game fairly well and it was generally accepted that it was a "serious" game. We all did whatever it took to win.

When I play with my friends from my hometown, it's a totally different game. Most of them don't know how to play well, and they are there to drink and have a good time, not to win money. I dont take it as seriously and cut my usual aggression in half so I "blend in" and just play for fun. This keeps everybody happy, and usually I can still make a good profit.

#17 11-27-2005, 05:01 AM

That's how you gotta do it....drink that skill level away!!!!

Steve Giufre · #18 11-27-2005, 05:31 AM

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You vastly overestimate your own abilities. If you were as good as you believe you are you wouldn't be taking your friends lunch money and you'd be making real money playing in a casino or online.
-James

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Dont listen to James, he doesnt know his head from his ass. Im sure you are every bit as good as you think you are, probably better.

john kane · #19 11-27-2005, 01:15 PM

when i play live its with a bunch of mates and i will be pretty aggressive-very loose, just have some fun and try to play some audacious bluffs on them.
i dont care much if i win or lose, after all we play the equivalent of $20-$40 buy ins when online i play $200 so im not too bothered.

my rule is i play live for fun, online for money. best of both worlds - have a good time playing poker and hopefully make a lot of money as well.

i think you are trying to prove to your mates how much better you are than them.

MicroBob · #20 11-27-2005, 06:29 PM

I think your friends want to play 'real' poker that they can afford...instead of sitting there with some guy trying to bust them all night long.

Some people react really negatively to hyper-aggression if they can't figure a way for it to be +EV for them.

Several months ago i entered a freeroll tournament on absolute.
About 5 minutes in the GF calls and got out of work early so we're going to go out.
So much for the freeroll.
But instead of just sitting-out and letting myself get blinded-away I go all-in on every hand (you see this happen sometimes...and the guy explains in the chat-box that he has to leave all of a sudden).

Well....I catch amazing cards and bust player after player.
84o knocks off QQ...etc etc etc.
I double-up several times and am the chip-leader. and I just keep going and going because I'm trying to leave anyway.

I probably busted out about 10 players.
I even explained that I was just trying to leave..."please take my chips."

A couple players were LOL'ing when they got busted by ridiculous holdings.
But there were some players who were getting REALLY mad that I was 'ruining' the game by playing like that.
I found it to be pretty interesting actually.

But since it was a freeroll I guess looking back I can kind of see their point.

This is almost the equivilent of showing-up on a play-money table where people are trying to just learn how to play...and then going all-in on every hand and just turning the friendly poker game into something completely different.

I think the game with your friends should be a little friendlier and it's just something you are doing to have fun.
So while it is not for play-money, you shouldn't go that crazy if it creates ill-will.

and if you want to think in TRUE ev terms: Ticking off your friends to the point that they won't want to give you their money again is definitely -EV.
If folding every once in awhile makes them happy and makes them willing to come back with more money in the future then playing a bit more passively will actually be higher EV for you in the future.