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Old 08-27-2005, 05:07 AM
brian94709 brian94709 is offline
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Default AK flops TPTK. Big flop raise. I\'m lost.

Villain is 44/10/3 after only a few rotations.

I'm pretty much lost in this hand. Should I just fold TPTK on the flop? I think calling the raise and betting out the turn + folding to further aggression doesnt work because the pot gets too large..

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em (NL$50) <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link

MP ($92.25)
CO ($131.03)
Button ($139.20)
SB ($50.30)
BB ($23.25)
Hero ($49.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $2.00, SB calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($8.00) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6.00</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $20.00</font>, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls $14.00.

Turn: ($48.00) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $15.00</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $63.00.
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Old 08-27-2005, 05:12 AM
whittiphil whittiphil is offline
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Default Re: AK flops TPTK. Big flop raise. I\'m lost.

I think you fold this to his TT... unless you've seen him do this with TP great kicker.
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Old 08-27-2005, 05:58 AM
snappo snappo is offline
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Default Re: AK flops TPTK. Big flop raise. I\'m lost.

I don't see the point in calling the flop raise just to check/fold a blank turn with only 1/2 pot left in your stack.

I think you should either fold or reraise allin on the flop. Or get the money in on a blank turn. Then again I'm really tired right now.
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Old 08-27-2005, 06:14 AM
brian94709 brian94709 is offline
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Default Re: AK flops TPTK. Big flop raise. I\'m lost.

I agree, my line was terrible. I should probably have folded to the huge bet.
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Old 08-27-2005, 07:07 AM
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Default Re: AK flops TPTK. Big flop raise. I\'m lost.

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I agree, my line was terrible. I should probably have folded to the huge bet.

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It wasnt really huge, it was only a pot sized raise, in fact, it was less than pot size (pot is 14, 6 to call making 20, so to make a pot sized raise, he would make it 26 to play).

If you call the raise, call the turn (or even better, push the turn, in case he has diamonds).
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Old 08-27-2005, 10:06 AM
jhall23 jhall23 is offline
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Default Re: AK flops TPTK. Big flop raise. I\'m lost.

After that weak turn bet I probably c/r this lag all in. He very well could be on the flush draw here.

Edit: With those stack sizes you are making a commitment decision here on the flop. You might as well open push your remaining 25 ish on the turn.
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Old 08-27-2005, 10:12 AM
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Default Re: AK flops TPTK. Big flop raise. I\'m lost.

tough decision here... most of it is judgemental. Is your opponent a TAG? LAG? If its a TAG, I can't really see what your beating here. His play screams set.
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Old 08-27-2005, 10:21 AM
mudbuddha mudbuddha is offline
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Default Re: AK flops TPTK. Big flop raise. I\'m lost.

yeah, i call this hand down or push too often to some outrageous 2 pair flop or AT TT AA haha, i've come to the conclusion that a pair isnt that good when they come over the top hard.. unless u got a nice read.
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Old 08-27-2005, 12:57 PM
UOPokerPlayer UOPokerPlayer is offline
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Default Re: AK flops TPTK. Big flop raise. I\'m lost.

Fold flop. It's tough, but it's correct too much of the time.

Edit: With stack sizes, I like pushing flop to get called by at best a flush draw. You shouldn't see a turn with chips. Folding is best though.
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Old 08-27-2005, 01:08 PM
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Default Re: AK flops TPTK. Big flop raise. I\'m lost.

I dont see how you can call that flop raise and fold to that wimpy turn bet. Make a decision on the flop and follow through. The flop raise looks pretty standard, not big at all.
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